Festival First Timers Part 2: Devon Gilfillian

This is the What Podcast. Which bands this year that matter? If you're new to the show, welcome.

If we've known you for years, welcome back. Barry Courter, Lord Taco, Brad Steiner, alongside

Consequence Podcast Network. Devin Gathillion this week. Festival First Timers we did almost

Monday last week. I think that we need to start doing Barry a ranking of hair. If we could rank

our guest hair, who would have the best hair of all time? Paul Janeway? He's in the running.

Is he? Yeah, everything about that man is in the running. I don't know if he's going to make the

top five of guests with hair. He's in the conversation. Ball cap guy though. It's Taco

and it's Paul Janeway. Very good guys in hats. Guys that look good in hats. So today we talk

about part two of our Festival First Timers episode last week, almost Monday. If you didn't

get a chance to listen back to that, the kids are on the precipice of possibly making it.

They've got a shot. They've got a hit on the radio. They've got everything working for them.

They look the part. They sound the part. Now it's just about actually getting the right song.

I don't want to get too out in front of us, but finding the right song is the hardest part for all

of these artists. No matter who you are, getting that right song to hit, to sync, to cut through

the noise is the hardest part. So in an effort to try and figure out how to find that right song,

almost Monday's A&R guy is going to talk to us next week, Barry Courter. Pretty cool.

Just yeah, everything about that was fun. I went back and listened and I was proud of us

and you. If you remember, we all said, you know what? I used to hate these type of guys.

The 16, 17 year olds that have the world by the tail and they do, but they're great kids.

They were great. There was a lot of fun. They are kids, but they're very good. And to have the A&R

guy, I can't wait to talk to him to see what he's looking for. Yeah. And I'll explain what that show

is going to be coming up in a little bit. But first, let's talk about our festival first timer

guest this week, Devin Gaffillion. I love this man. I love this man. And we talked about it

in the almost Monday episode, but I will repeat it as a radio guy who gets pitched, you know,

having artists come by all the time, not in a pre-COVID world, of course, but having being pitched,

having artists come by all the time, you get very tired of this. You know, you have to pretend to

care, you know, it's uncomfortable. You got to eat, you know, crappy delivery pizza, you know,

it's just, it becomes too much work. Well, there was a day where my music director at the time said

no to an artist named Justin Bieber when Bieber was 16. So I, at that moment said, we will say no

to no one ever again. Now that proved to be very laborious. We've said yes to way too many,

way too much garbage. One of which she's on a reality show right now, she'll remain nameless,

but it was a disaster on every level. And it almost made me want to leave the industry.

But we keep pushing forward. One of the guys that came by years after that decision was Devin

Cuffillian. And at the time, I just remember saying this guy is so gregarious. He's so happy. He's

just a bucket of energy. I don't know if he's got it, but he sure as hell wants to, I want to be

his friend. I want to hang out with that guy. Yeah. Who would have known that a few years later,

he would be nominated for a Grammy. First shot out of the first shot out of the cannon, the guy's

got a Grammy nomination. I love this interview. I told you when we, when we hung up that it's one

of my favorites ever. Uh, and I, and I mean that sincerely and I've done this a long, long, long

time. Interesting. He was just a lot of fun and, and the music is great. The fact that he goes at

and tackles Marvin Gaye. I mean, we talk about that. That's a pretty bold, that's a pretty bold

reach right there. Let's go do Marvin Gaye's what's going on. He could have covered Devo,

but he chose Marvin Gaye. Rock and roll inductees by the way. Yeah. So it is, it's remarkable. So he

puts out his first album and it's critically acclaimed. It gets Grammy nomination for his

second album, you know, where most artists really fumble. And he talks about that, that fear that

he had writing that second album. He decided to say, no, I'm not going to write a second album.

I'm going to cover one of the most iconic albums of all time in a moment where it really, really

matters. And he covered the entire Marvin Gaye, what's going on album. If you're starting to pay

attention, he's getting a lot of attention for it. I mean, as soon as we hung up from that

conversation, Barry turned on CNN, they were doing a story on them. You know, if you keep your eyes

open a little bit, you're going to see this guy starting to pop up everywhere because this album

is getting a lot of attention. Yeah. Let me tell you one of my favorite interview quotes ever. I

asked, and I don't remember who, and I wish I could cause I would give him credit cause it's

brilliant. I asked about the sophomore jinx basically it's the second album because what

happens is you got a guy and he says he had his whole life to write his first album, right? What

a great quote that is. But then the second one you're on the road, you're touring, you know,

and I mentioned that to whoever this person was and they said, yeah, nobody cares that your bus

drivers had a bad day. It really is true. That's what becomes the sophomore album. It's all about

life on the road, life on the road. Yeah. Nobody cares. I've got a friend, I got a friend of mine,

the taco knows friend of ours too. Uh, every time he hears somebody talking like that, he always goes,

no, it's so true though, because when you ran out of things to write about, what do you start

writing about? Well, let me look around, um, potted plants. Let me go for 13 months. Yep.

Every hotel looks the same. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. All right. So, uh, Devon Cofillion today

on the what podcast, uh, I really liked this conversation. I think you're gonna like it too.

But first, before we get into Devon Cofillion, I wanted to run through some, some headlines,

some consequence headlines. So, uh, there was some announcements made in the past couple of weeks of

music festivals that are at least in our wheelhouse. I have never been to firefly,

but I know people that have, and I have heard nothing but wonderful things about it. Um,

they put out a lineup that very, I don't know if you know, but I work at a radio station.

I run an alternative radio station and the state of alternative radio right now in 2021 is, uh,

it's a bit tough. Uh, it is not at its peak performance. That is for sure. And it's a lot

of artists that don't necessarily, we, we, we don't really know if they're going to be anything.

And there are a lot of what I call faceless artists. Well, that is the firefly lineup from

top to bottom. I am more interested in if firefly sells out than maybe any other festival in the

country. They put out a lineup that is my stations playlist from top to bottom, you know, aside from,

you know, the Lizzo's and, and, you know, uh, the Wiz Khalifa's of the world, but man,

you go through there, they might play 40, they might have 45 artists that I play on that lineup.

Will you get an accurate perception of what alternative radio is right now by the way that

this thing sells in Dover, Delaware? I think so. I think that you're going to get a good idea as to

if these artists really, I like cannons cannons had a number one single on the alternative charts.

I don't know if anyone in America knows who cannons are. Yeah. Barry, do you know cannons?

No, that's an interesting question. I've ever heard of cannons. No, exactly. Yeah. Number one

single. Yeah. Number one single. This is what I'm saying. Like you go through some of this lineup,

Barry, and tell me, tell me your first impressions. Uh, well, you got Billy Eilish on top killers,

Tame Impala, Lizzo, by the way, the killers on every lineup. Yeah. Rest of mankind for the rest

of history. We've got Tame at a Bonnarooo that I mean, that's pretty in Lizzo. That's pretty strong.

Then you got Megan, this stallion cage, Roddy, rich Wiz Khalifa, machine gun Kelly. And then I'm

just looking for names. I recognize Portugal and silver NASA glass animals. Well, this is where it

gets really interesting for me because I haven't done the math, but there's gotta be 50. There's

gotta be 50 artists on here that I play on my radio station. And, um, I have played and interviewed

Oliver tree. He's going to be at Bonnarooo. It's one thing to put Oliver tree on the Bonnarooo lineup

because there's so much around him that's going to support it. But if your entire lineups full of

Oliver tree, I don't know how this is going to work. I will say, although, um, I'm very interested

in the firefly lineup and I really want it to work for my own sake, my own professional sake,

and the format that I've, you know, put so much of my time and money and investment and, you know,

self-worth into, I just don't see festival lineups other than hangout that are this targeted,

that are this small of, of diversity. There is, there is one lane for this lineup and that's it.

And I think I, and you probably know why based on the people that book it, they know how to

super serve their audiences. The people that book it are the same people that came from hangout

festival. And if you have been paying attention to the hangout festival lineup for years,

what do you see over the last five, six, seven years? It has been super targeted to top 40 radio.

Yep. Well, firefly lineup is super targeted to rock and alternative radio. It's a really

interesting question. Um, the moon river festival announced this week as well. It's a boutique

festival here in Chattanooga had the conversation with the co-founder drew Holcomb, uh, the other

day about, but you can go back and listen to our conversations. Do we have that up or is it so bad

that we had to take it down? I don't remember if that was one of those that just got lost in the

trash. He does seem like we had some sort of sound issues with that one, but he was great. Um, but,

um, point being, you know, they had to cancel like everybody and rework their whole schedule. So my

question to him was how easy was it putting it together? And when did you start? And he said

like seven weeks ago, seven weeks to put together a full lineup, a two day festival. Um, you know,

so point being, do you just take who's available? I mean, how much can you actually curate at this

point? He said it was a bit of a scramble for sure, but it was fun. Is that why, is that why for a,

for a Americana roots festival, they all of a sudden have Dr. Dog on the lineup?

Uh, you know, Dr. Dog actually does pretty well here in Chattanooga.

I know they do, but it doesn't fit with Wilco.

Well, but it's that to your point, I mean, the, again, and I didn't ask him based on this, uh,

Firefly question that you're posing, but it's an interesting question. You, you know, at some point

you, you gotta take best available, I would think, um, just to run through real quick, Wilco, Lord

Shiron, Drew, uh, Lake street drive, old, old crow, Dr. Dog, Indigo girls, hippo campus, dolls, coin,

shovels and rope, Yola. And then,

Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, look, the, the star of that coming out of the weekend is going to be Yola.

Um, just put, put every dime that you have on a Barry, but every diamond that you have that you're

going to walk out of Chattanooga, Tennessee in love praying at the feet, falling down around Yola.

She is magic beyond imagination. Yeah. And there's a lot of others in the

undercard that he mentioned that he's very excited about. I mean, obviously he's selling his event,

but, uh, he put, he's put together pretty good lineups in the past.

Look, but your question is, and we talked about this eight, nine, 10 months ago,

you know, how will they come out of this when everybody's trying to have a festival in

September and October? Yeah. Do you take best available or do you, you know, can you curate

something? So I, I think it's a really good question to see how Firefly sells. That's a good question.

Yeah. I mean, look, Bonnarooo sells out, uh, that these boutique festivals are going to sell out

mainly because they're the original festival. They're there your regional spot where you can

drive to pretty easily, get a hotel pretty easily, maybe drive back home pretty easily.

The ones that blew me away, not only Bonnarooo selling out, but for a hundred and eighty thousand

cap music festival to sell out in Vegas is beyond comprehension to me, beyond comprehension.

And it's, you know, in the middle of the summer. Um, Firefly is, is interesting to me for me

personally. I don't know if it's interesting to anybody else. These boutique festivals though,

I said this last week and the week before it is the era of the great festival lineup. We are in a

world where you can look around and see a great lineup. I mean, we could make one, we can, we

can make a great festival lineup on my porch and it would work. It would absolutely work. We are

just in that era because of what Drew said, you know, you get, you just, you just throwing some

stuff against the wall because people are available. Um, but with that being said, it's going to be

hard for them to sell tickets. You know, I do worry that if it's going to, if, if the big ones

sell out, it almost feels, well, that makes sense. This boutique festival in Chattanooga, the boutique

festival in Iowa city, Iowa, do they get the runoff? Does it trickle down to them? Do, or, or do

they already have a built-in audience? It's going to come back no matter what.

I don't put, let's don't put words in Drew's mouth or mine. I, that's not,

I would never put anything in your mouth, Barry. That's not what he said was that, you know,

that's how this lineup was built. I've just raised the question and raised it to him. No, he's happy.

He's very happy with this line. I'm happy. It's good. Yeah, it's very good lineup. I'm,

I just pose in the question for some of these festivals, does that become a, a problem?

You know, cause they're all booked, but I guess part of what we're seeing, seeing, like you said,

with, um, killers killers, they've been dormant for so long, not just them, but a lot of action.

They want to play. And the other thing Drew said, which I did find interesting is typically the

radius clause is a factor and pretty much everybody's playing nice. So you're going to see

bands on multiple festivals where, or even venues like in, you know, near you that you wouldn't see

in the past. Where's Ali? Can we call Ali and ask her? Can we ask what she's seeing when it comes to

booking and radius clauses? Look, I think that the festival line, I might be talking out of both

sides of my mouth here. And frankly, I'm not thinking I am. I always do, but if, if the

festival world, it may just be so insulated that there's no way things don't do well. The theater

shows that I'm worried about, maybe I need to refine exactly what I'm trying to say. I don't

necessarily worry too much about festivals. I am interested in what happens in, in Delaware with

Firefly because of my own professional interest, but I'm worried more about the offspring coming

to the Fillmore, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about, you know, Moon Taxi coming to the

Joy Theater because when all of these shows start hitting and the reason why you're seeing so many

of them announced now for, you know, six, eight months in the future is because they need your

dollar now because they don't know if they're going to get your dollar in two months, which is why

I am stunned as to what's happening with Lollapalooza. When I was told that they were going to

announce the lineup a month ago, they were doing it because they were trying to get in front of

everybody. Now they're not only going to be at the back end of everything, but they're going to have

two months to make this thing work. Two months to sell it out, to sell a hundred thousand tickets.

The same, the city wants it. The city is dying for it. They're trying to move heaven and earth

to make it happen. I have a feeling it'll do just fine, but the local venues around, I mean, how well

will the Metro do in Chicago when the dollar has been stretched so unbelievably thin? You know,

you get to November and December or frankly even October, you know, you've got people who have

already milked their budget for, you know, this festival, another festival, three other shows.

And I can see a hundred bands in a festival. Right. It is, it is. Yeah, I mean, I think that's

maybe that's what I'm most worried about instead of, you know, festivals. I don't think, I don't

think the festival world is hurting too bad. I mean, at the end of the day, question, I mean,

at the end of the day, let's be honest. I mean, AT&T solves a lot of problems, you know, a check

from, you know, big corporate sponsor really goes a long way. You know, when, when PBR is now the

sponsor of Moon River, things get a little easier. You know, you can breathe. It's sort of like

getting a stimulus check. You know, you get that stimulus check and the man like, okay,

that helps. Doesn't solve all the problems, but it sure as hell helps. Yeah. You're right.

You're right. And that's the grants and all the other things that are coming in. So yeah.

All right. We've got, we've got some more consequence news coming up here in a second,

but I want to get into the, to the Devon Gavillion chat. If you guys don't mind,

you want to, you want to get into this? Let's do it. It's fine. Devon Gavillion on the what podcast,

which bands this year that matter the show today, festival first timers, Devon Gavillion next on the

What Podcast. Can you hear me now? There we go. Oh yes. What's going on, Brad? How you doing Barry?

I know Barry, Barry and Russ disappeared. They can't see him anymore. You know what? That's going

to make Barry very unhappy because he's in a hair war with me right now. He doesn't understand.

I'm killing it today, man. He doesn't understand that the winner of the hair work. Ah, there it is.

There we go. The guest keeps winning the hair war. Devon comes in with a. Barry's definitely

winning. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Brad. How dare you. It's strong. I'm so, I'm so happy to see you again.

I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy for your success. I can't believe what the last year has been for

you. Isn't it a little weird to find the most success in your career in maybe the worst possible

year of life? Oh, absolutely. Am I okay? Can I, can I be happy for a second?

No, I mean like it's weird because you know, as terrible as terrible as this year has been,

you know, there has been so many beautiful things that that came out of it and necessary

beautiful things, you know, like getting out of the abusive relationship with our president.

That was pretty cool getting out of that. I don't know what you're talking about. This podcast is

sponsored by QAnon. I don't know about you guys, but I like quit watching the news pretty much.

And I don't watch, you know, why? Because you can breathe Barry. We can finally say we don't need to

watch the news every day. We can finally say, Oh, thank God this over that thing's over. Yeah,

yeah. There's still important stuff happening, but not like every day. So yeah, I mean, it is

like the news. It really does feel like we can chill. Like we can watch the news every,

we can catch up on the news every other day, you know, like it, as opposed to just getting yelled

at and tweeted at. I mean, my doom scrolling doesn't exist anymore. You know, the thing that

I'm obsessed about with our president is no longer, you know, drinking bleach. It's man,

he's a giant compared to the Carter family. I'm obsessed about it. Right. And not, you know,

I didn't know Biden was so huge. Like he must be like nine to 10 feet tall. It is. It is damn near

the funniest photo I've ever seen in my life. I am obsessed with this photo. Like when did the

Carters live in like Lilliputian? When did they become Lilliputian? Even the tea cups are teeny

tiny, you know, poor Rosalyn, her head is the size of Joe Biden's hand. It is the greatest

photo I've ever seen. You know, I love, I love Devin so much. And I would say this, even if he

wasn't a part of the show, I am so excited about his show. I'm so excited about him hitting the

bottom line up. I love the fact that he's sort of like the show for Thursday for me, but I want to

start, if you don't mind Devin, for the people that don't know who you are. Yes. Can you just

give me the, the ABC of what, who, why Devin is Devin? So yeah, ABC let's go. I, I love, you know,

I'm a, I'm a product of so many things, rhythm and blues, rock and roll, psychedelic rock, soul,

folk, every, you know, gospel. But you know, Mark, I would say my two North stars are Marvin Gaye and

Jimi Hendrix. And, you know, I, I, I want to, I want to tell the world the way that they did and,

and, and do it in 2021, you know, and, and, and, you know, I, I, I'm from outside of Philly, born

in a little small town in Morton, Pennsylvania, broke playing music up, up, you know, just kind

of like dilly dallying with some bands here and there. And my dad's a music, a wedding singer. So,

you know, he's, oh yeah, yeah, he's, he's the one who got me into it. You know, there it is. I was

going to ask, yeah, there had to be a wedding. What a perfect, I mean, you're going to hear all

kinds of stuff from a wedding singer, right? Oh man. He was, I remember watching my dad learn

Nelly, it's getting hot in here. Like when that came out and that was the goofiest, funniest thing

I've ever seen to watch him watch him rap that I'm doing this for the white women.

Was it cringe worthy kind of funny for you? I mean, oh, it was cringe. Oh, cringy, cringe funny.

Like it was, it was the most cringe worthy funny, but, but, but also, you know, he also was singing

Earth, Wind and Fire, Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles and, you know, all the Michael Jackson and,

and, you know, all those cats and the jet, like all those, you know, are Marvin and the Temptations,

all the Motown stuff. So that, that's all the soul I got it from, from Pops, from Nelson.

So Lord Taco and Barry know this well about me, but, you know, if not for, you know, 60's soul,

I don't know if I'm the person that I am. If not for Syl Johnson and Otis Redding and Otis Clay,

I'm not the person I am. But to me, the one that doesn't get any of the credit is the king of

Philly soul, Mr. Solomon Burke. Oh, man. And one of the greatest shows I've ever seen at Bonnarooo was

one of the final shows that Solomon Burke ever had. I mean, it was one of these moments where

I looked around and Devon, there might've been, I don't know, 85 people there.

Nobody knew what Solomon Burke was and they didn't know what in the world was, was happening on stage.

But when I think, when I think of you, I think of the king of Philly soul, Mr. Solomon Burke. So I'm

glad that you rattled off all of the people that that's what we're essentially the same person,

I think is what I'm trying to say. You might be the same person. No, yeah. No, you're my brother

from another mother. Come on. Yeah. How did they get, I'm sorry to interrupt, but how did you get

from Philly to Nashville? How did that story come about? Well, you know, I was going to school for

psychology actually in Westchester, Pennsylvania. And then I was like, nah, I don't want to be a

therapist. It's not, that's not what I want to do. So I applied to programs in the AmeriCorps,

which is kind of like the Peace Corps, but you work for a nonprofit that's based in the United

States. You can go anywhere in the U S. So I chose, I applied to Nashville, New Orleans and Austin

and got, got accepted to the program in Nashville. You're telling me New Orleans, we missed you by

this much? We missed you by this much. This much, man, this much. I would love to kick it around

NOLA. But, but, you know, Nashville, I'm really glad that I got, I got, basically Nashville chose

me, you know, in a way. And if it hadn't, I wouldn't be where I'm at right now. So it's crazy.

It's crazy. I love the, the, I was going to go back to the Hendrix and Marvin Gaye,

because they're, I mean, I heard another band earlier this week, their three main influences

were basically Hendrix and Marvin, Soul and Miles Davis. Wow. And I mean, right? I mean, if you,

if you're going to go with three bases, that's pretty good mix right there. And that's going

to make a nice gumbo right there. That's I'll tell you that anything. Yeah. He is really,

really killing my New Orleans thing. Isn't it? Driving that harder and harder, isn't it?

Throw some, throw some Cajun spice on that one right there. You know,

but now I mean, Jimmy Marvin and miles, I mean, goodness Lord, that's yeah, you got,

that's it, right? Just the holy Trinity. You're doing it again. The New Orleans funds just can't

stop the holy Trinity. Guys are really pushing it hard at this point. Go back a little bit and

talk about this last year for you professionally. What's it been like, man? I mean, it's, it's been

a roller coaster, but like I said, like we said earlier, you know, some beautiful things have

come out of it. Like, you know, just rediscovering Marvin's what's going on record and getting the

rerecord that and get that like invite all my homies in Nashville and some homies from all

around the U S to come and help me sing on that and raise money for this nonprofit equity,

equity lines, which was awesome. They fight voter suppression here in Tennessee, which is,

which is crazy. Tennessee is like 45th and voter voter turnout and registration. So it's like,

what? That's, that's work. There's only 52 states that what's going on here? 51, you know, like what?

So I wanted to, I got to get more involved with, with politics in that way, which I really,

you know, I love, I loved, I, I love learning so much about just, I don't know, the whole process

and also how much suppression is in this country. And I guess too, probably since you did it, the,

what's going on, you know, Marvin, we all know, cause it's so smooth and so sexy, but he was,

I mean, it's, it's sad. And isn't it in a way that that album still is every bit as powerful?

I, it is sad, Barry. I, I really, it's funny. I was telling somebody earlier today, I was like,

I wish this, this album wasn't so relevant. Right. I wish it wasn't, you know, every day

we see stuff in the news, black people getting killed by police and then police officers not

getting held accountable. And, and, and then laws being, you know, just today, there was,

I think 34 different laws being passed in, in, in States for voters, like just killing people

with voter suppression. And I mean, they, they actually, in Oklahoma, they made it legal to run

over protesters. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's 2021. As long as you're fleeing. As long as you're,

yeah, I know, whatever the logic, it makes sense. You know, I'm sure that, I'm sure that it's not,

it's, it's all a little, you know, it, it, it, it is, and it isn't what it is on what it looks like,

but it is what it looks like. You know, if it smells like it, it tastes like it. It feels like

it, it is probably racist. But Devin, what you're doing though, what you're doing with the, what's

going on. I don't want to get too, too far down that path to say, yeah, but, but what you're doing

with that, what you're doing with, you know, what you're saying now, what you did with your first

album, it's still therapy. Absolutely. You didn't want to go to school for therapy and to be a

therapist, but that's essentially what you become and just translate it into a different art form.

Brad, absolutely. I mean, it's, and I, I wanted to study music therapy specifically, and I ended up,

and I ended up, you know, doing, yeah, doing exactly that. And, and I, and I want to stay

true to that as an artist too. Like I, I do believe, you know, having a platform, having a

label behind me, having all these things is, it's a responsibility to, to use, to, to, to, to heal.

Cause that's what I think music, that's what music is here for. It's to heal people.

Well, I mean, I think that's what the first album did. And by the way, the first album, I mean,

Black O Rainbow, Black O Rainbow, by the way, I, I can't speak enough of, but I don't need to.

I mean, Barry, it's got a Grammy nomination. I mean, how do you, how do you come out of the gate

doing that? You know, I'm, I'm so grateful I got to make that record, make that album the way that

I did. I got to cook it up with Sean Everett, who's this crazy Canadian cat. He's a producer

out in LA. And, you know, we just swung microphones in front of amps and trying to

recreate Leslie sounds and like throwing water on the ground and recording that, like just

doing everything that we could to get the sounds that we wanted. And, and, and also,

your first album, it's your first album, you get to write it your whole life, you know,

which is really nice. But so, so like the songs were, you know, probably,

it's, I'd say half of them I wrote in like a year, within the year or two of Black O Rainbow,

but most of them I wrote like, probably four or five years before that. But yeah.

So, so what we like to do a little bit here is to get a little bit inside baseball. When you're

talking about getting in the studio and, you know, whipping microphones around, who is there helping

you doctor the songs? Is it a record label representative? Is it a music doctor? Or is it,

or is a label or as a manager, have they given you complete freedom to say, you know what,

see what you get. We'll see what happens with you, kid. And then, well, not just freedom,

but here's the money. Yeah, usually the key. It's those two things, right? Here's the money to go

play because it's not cheap. So sorry to jump on, but it's a great question.

No, it is a great question. And honestly, they really let me do whatever I wanted to do.

You know, like my A&R for Black Hole Rainbow, Chris, he was amazing. And he really let me come

and he was hands off. The label was really hands off and in the creative sense, you know, like I

was in there with Sean and my band and that was it. In the studio, that is, you know.

So how protective are you of that space? Do you let pretty much anyone in or do you like it to be

a very small circle that's creating in that very, very vulnerable spot?

You know, it really depends on who, like I typically keep it small, but like I also love

when I have friends that I know are creative and have crazy brains and, you know, I love for them

to be in the room and to just be a kind of like a meter, you know, kind of like see what they're

feeling and see how they're reacting to the music. So yeah, sometimes I bring outside peeps in.

So, I mean, what you said about you have your whole life to write your first album is great.

That's so great. It's so to sort of add on to this same conversation. Now that you've had success,

I mean, we talked to Paul Janoway from St. Paul and the Broken Bones before their album was released.

Now somebody comes in, knocks on the door, you know, he's a consultant, he's a VP or whatever,

and he wants you to do, you know, old standards maybe, or you know what I mean?

But that was the brilliant business move, you know, it fit the time, but now covering Marvin Gaye,

brilliant second album idea, by the way, brilliant second album idea.

Oh, man, I mean.

It's gonna take a little bit more time.

Yeah, no, I definitely like covering that album, you know, I didn't even think like,

it's weird because I didn't think like, oh, like I want to just cover Marvin Gaye's What's Going On

for Fun, you know, it was not fun. No, no, no, no, it was crazy. Yeah, I mean, like, that music is

unbelievable. It's so it's jazz, you know, like, it's it's like, it's really complex. And,

you know, I really so like, when I decided to cover it, it was like, I did it because it was a mission

to I wanted to get that message out again. And like, it killed me, like, listening to it and being

like, wow. I didn't even think about like, yeah, I mean, I said it's hard because of this, the

sociological impact of everything that this the but I didn't even think about as a musician, how

hard that is. I didn't think about that part of it. Like, how much preparation, how much work did

it take for you to get it right? And with the pressure on top of you saying, well, if I don't

get this right? Oh, this is this is a this is a very, very brave thing you did. Thank you. Yeah,

no, like, it, for me, I was, I definitely was like, no one's gonna make a record. No one's

gonna recreate this album better than the original. So I'm just gonna, I'm gonna do my version of it.

And I'm gonna get people who are way like way talented than I am to, to join me and and and

recreate this album. Because yeah, I there's no way I could have done it by myself. And

with all that being said, how does that translate live? You just did your first show in a year.

I don't know. First off, I however that feels, I can't even understand. But but how does how

does some of that stuff translate live for you? It's got to be, you know, speaking of which,

it can't be easy. It can't be easy. I mean, when we when we did, we really I only got to play

what's going on live, really once with for this live stream that we did. And, and I mean,

it was so powerful. It was so magical being on the stage with like 12 musicians and playing music

live again, even though at that point, when we did it, which was back in November, like December,

I'm sorry, was back in like October. At that point, you know, there weren't any audience like we were

on stage still playing with each other. And that felt unbelievable. But as far as like, two weeks

ago, I got to we got to play a gig in in the Highlands in North Carolina. And we were outside

at this festival, everybody's in their pods, and, you know, and their little little things. And

there were people were going crazy. Like, it was and it was really it was magic. It was it was

weird, a little weird, because you're like, you want people to come out of their pods, you know,

but you can't. But like, it was still like, Oh, my God, like, I'm getting energy. And it was

from people. Let me clear something up. You didn't have 11 people on stage with you at this festival,

did you? Are you taking 12 people out on tour with you? Oh, no, no, no. This was this two weeks ago.

This was gonna be broke. Oh, so broke. I really I want that is my dream for sure to have like a 12

piece band. Yeah. But but right now we're just we're just four piece in it. Okay. All right.

Oh, yeah. That that is the talk. This guy is the bravery is running up against insanity. I think

12 people on tour with you. What is it? What does the tour look like? What is the rest of the fall

and the summer look like if this is your first sort of go at it? What's the rest of the year going to

be? You know, Brad, we were slowly gigs are slowly trickling in and we got some festivals this summer,

we got fluid fast in Virginia. We're doing forget this one festival that we're doing in Kentucky,

but we're doing, of course, Bonnarooo. Yeah, I know Bonnarooo Railbird is the one Railbird.

We're not doing Railbird. I wish we were doing Railbird. All my homies are doing Railbird,

everybody, you know, but but we got a couple other festivals and hopefully forward,

hoping hoping something comes through and you know, we'll probably do some support in the fall.

That's what we're thinking. What are you thinking about Bonnarooo? I mean, you're in Nashville. How

much what do you know about Bonnarooo? Well, I only I've only been once. Really? I've only been once

2015. And that was Billy. Yeah, yeah, that was Billy Joel. Kendrick played Earth, Wind and Fire.

Great work. My morning Jack in it. Who else? Oh, my I got to see Reggie Watts. Yeah, that was amazing.

That was so good. All I know is that I'm hella hella excited and very grateful that it's in

September and not June because you know is hot. Well, that's something we've talked about in the

past. I actually so sure we know with the with the global warming that can't be named. I actually

think that Tennessee's hotter than it is in June these days. I think it's hotter in September.

I think June is now the spring in Tennessee. You know, last year was like 62 degrees during the day.

Do you remember that, Barry? It was unbelievable. The weekend of Bonnarooo. Amazing. You know, I

actually do. Was that are you talking about two years ago? Last year, the canceled year. Yeah,

it it it last year. Yeah, it was. I remember being because we were supposed to play it and

I remember being in my backyard and being like this would be so good. This weather.

Kicking in the crotch twice. Right. Yeah. So I'm glad. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, I was going to say

we were very excited to see your play on Thursday because that's become

every day is our favorite day. But Thursday has become probably one of our favorite days.

What's our day of discovery? It's discovery day. Yes. And so, you know, everybody is so excited.

They're pumped. Yeah, that's when you you go find the act that you didn't, you know, you'd never

heard of and they always are great. So we were really excited not that we've not heard of you,

but excited that you're on that day because it's such a magical day. I'm no I I I

know I I actually am super excited. I'm sorry. So I'm like looking over my shoulder.

Do you have a parrot? I just I just got a there's a just a oh just a thunderstorm warning. Oh,

is that right? Is that sometimes like, you know, there's like a little tornado warning like the

other night and you never know in Nashville, you know? Yeah. Yeah. What's the what's the group like

in Nashville for you? What do you who's your group? Do you have a good group of musician friends that

that that are on the precipice? Who's who's driving you that way? You know, I have a I have a

I'm lucky I got like a squad here in Nashville. There's I get to hang out with Jake, my buddy,

Jake from a literate light. Have you heard of I know literate light? Yes. They're they're they've

been through my radio station in Chattanooga back in the day when I lived in Chattanooga.

A literate light came through the thing and they hung out in our parking lot for about half an hour

and they're like, so what do we do now? I said,

I drink. Oh, man. So in these moments when I questioned myself, I started drinking.

I just I just started like poor little light. Yeah. Jake and Jeff Jeff's in Virginia, of course.

Oh, I forgot. We've had them on the show. Barry, we had that. Yes. Oh, man. Oh, I'm an idiot. Oh,

hey, listen, I I have my brain just farts. My brain farts every if I could smell my brain farts,

I'd be a very like roses. Thank you. You know, do you know, do you know our guys,

Kristen and Jared from Repeat Repeat, the the theme song writing for the what podcast Repeat Repeat?

No, ma'am, we need to connect you. We need to connect you with Jared and Kristen.

So you need to get them because you're closer to them than I am at this point. But they hate horns.

I need you to get them in love with horns. For some reason. You can do it. Oh, man. Budo's band.

Who else? Who else is just like I just love I mean, who hates horns, man? I know. I know.

Come on. I get like, you know, like I get it. Like when people always say, get a horn, get a horn

section, get a horn. So, you know, they yell at me and I'm like, man, like I want it to be different.

I want it to be like not just like, you know, you throw the sriracha on everything, you know.

Sure. Which is why I want to learn how to play the cornet. Nobody plays the cornet anymore.

Nobody is playing the scenic type has one note, you know, it's just like sounds like a duck call.

But I want to learn it like the recorder, the cornet and the recorder. It'll come in handy.

It will. I think so. I think so. What else, Barry? What do you got? I love it, man. I can't wait to

see you. I'm so looking forward to it. Who are you looking forward to seeing? Are you going to

hang around? I mean, you're in Nashville, so I assume you're going to be around. Barry, I'm getting,

I am getting a camper in every, I'm doing it. Are you really? Would you like to stay at Camp

Nut Butter? We have available space at Camp Nut Butter. You can stay in Taco's bus.

Hey, listen, as long as I get my own little bunk, I'm good to go, man.

And you do. I'm he crawls in. Hey, we're in the middle of the night. As long as I'm little spoon.

I like to feel the arms like around me. You know, you have found your match.

You have found your match. Oh, yeah, I want to I mean, Liz Lizzo, I got to see Lizzo.

And I mean, Tame Impala is is definitely on my on my top.

You seem you seem not only do you seem like somebody who cares about the history of all this,

but you care about what is happening in of the moment. Who are you listening to right now? Who

do you like? Right now I am listening to Steve Lacey, Thundercat, Nick Hakeem, Callie Ooshas.

I love that Callie Ooshas album. Yeah, I love that song so much. Oh, yeah, she's on fire.

Who else? I've been listening to a lot of Kendrick Lamar. Never heard of him. Yeah, he's he's this

new cat on the block. Yeah, I will say that the year of 2015, I don't haven't told the story in

a while, but I'll go ahead and tell you the Billy Joel Kendrick Lamar year. So right before Billy

Joel is a this is the class. This is my Billy Joel story. So right before Billy Joel in the What Stage

of Bonnarooo was one of my favorite bands of all time, Spoon. I love Spoon with all my heart. So

we're standing on stage for Spoon. And to get off the stage in the back, there's this long ramp that

takes you all the way down to the artist group area or whatever. And so all of us are leaving the

stage and one person from afar is coming up the stairwell. And I think it's closer and closer and

closer and closer. And who is it? It's Billy Joel. Billy Joel. And nobody not one person has stopped

this guy as he's coming up the stairwell. Not one person you'd think if it's Billy Joel, somebody

would have stopped and said, Oh my God, there's Billy Joel. Not one person. So I had to be the guy.

I had to be the guy that's out in the channel, man, and said hello. So I this is my moment,

right? This is my moment. I get to stop and talk to Billy Joel. Oh, man. So jump in. Let's make

sure we understand this is a guy who makes a living talking. Trying to pull content out of my rear is

my life. Yes. So I reach my hand out and I say, Billy Joel. And he looks at me grabs my hand as

if he's been waiting for this entire time for somebody to grab my his hand and shake it like

realize Billy Joel. He grabs my hand with authority looks at me and I go. Great work.

Let's go ahead and says, thanks.

Every time Billy Joel does an interview, somebody says, what are the great moments that you remember

in your career? There was this guy behind the what stage? These hothead kids at Bonnarooo, they

don't appreciate art. They don't care about me. I'm the piano man. And all this jerk can say is good

work. Oh, man. I blew it. Sometimes you just can't you just there's some people who I I don't even

know what to say. You know, I don't even Devin, it was one of those moments where I realized I don't

have anything to say to Billy Joel. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't have anything to say to Billy Joel. Yeah, I don't have anything to say to him. I had I got to

Brian Wilson a couple of years ago. I called my brothers who were huge fans because I I said I

need help because I'm going to go Chris Farley. I'm going to be so you're in the Beach Boys.

That's not what that was not the moment I had Billy Joel. I just realized I just don't have.

I don't care. Yeah, no hair. And that's honest, yo. That's so honest. Like, I was at a I was at

Capitol Congress in L.A. at this this party at Capitol. And and Beck was like right like 10 feet

away chatting with somebody. I was like I wanted to go over to him. And you say and I was like but

I was like I don't have a damn thing to say to back right now. Hey, loser baby. Am I right?

You never heard that. Hey, that's a pro. He pro. I'm into my heart. Right. Step into my heart.

Am I right? What do you say? Scientology. I mean, oh, shoot. I didn't mean to say that.

I'm going to bring that up. It really is a good point. I got to say this. I am paralyzed. The

fear now is back ever came into my life because I love back. That is one of the most fun shows you

could ever see. But I have no earthly clue what the hell I talk back about. Not one. I would

definitely talk about Scientology. I would absolutely be like so. But Scientology, tell me

about it. All about it. Everything. Why? Never leave his ass. Why? He would never get out of his

dick. So the cheese dip is pretty good. Aliens. Aliens back. I will say though, it is remarkable

to talk to Beck and think that whatever I'm saying to him right now might make a song in the future.

Whatever I say, he could put into a lyric that's going to make no sense whatsoever. But I'm going

to be in a Beck song at some point. That's why you got to just say the craziest things when you see

Beck. That's a great point. Man, I'm so happy for you. I love the album. I love the cover album.

I think that you got the world in front of you. If I can push anybody to a show on Thursday,

it's Devon's. I hope that when Bonnarooo comes, you come back to Camp Nut Butter and hang out

and chat with us at Lord Taco's bus. I'm coming for the whole, I want a whole spoon session, man.

This has become a much different podcast than we anticipated. This has gotten a very weird podcast.

We can spoon you if you're vaccinated. Oh, I got the double Pfizer in me. Come on. You know.

Oh, me too. I got the fake. We only have one real rule, Devon, at Bonnarooo, and that's no touching.

But on Thursday, you'll be there Thursday. Thursday's okay. It's Sunday.

Yeah. We do have one rule I tell anybody, no sex. Don't have sex at Bonnarooo.

It's just a rule. Oh, yeah. Unless it's the first day or the last day. First day,

okay. Last day, you're all disgusting anyway, so what does it matter? But here's the best news.

Uh, taco is back, waxed and ready to be a snack. So you are. Oh snap. Oh snap. I had all my shots.

Oh God, and we'll have more moonshine too. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, uh, I'll bring the guacamole.

How about that? You know, we don't have it. Barry brings the pimento cheese. Barry,

does the wife make guacamole too? Who brings the guac? I think Devon's bringing it. All right.

You got the guac, I guess. I love it. It's gonna be great. I love it. Devon, thank you so much for

taking your time out for us and we'll see you Labor Day weekend. I can't wait. We'll see you then.

Oh man, I can't wait. Brad, Barry, taco. I will see y'all and thank you so much. Thank you for

having me. Thank you. This was a lot of fun. See you soon. Yeah, anytime. Thank you.

Yeah.

Devon Gaffillion on the what podcast, which bands this year that matter Lord Taco, Barry

quarter, Brad Steiner. Uh, before we get into the news about Foo Fighters in the rock and roll hall

of fame, there is a headline at consequences website about an old game show that I love to talk about

here in a second. But before that, let's talk about the giveaway that's happening right now

for Bonnarooo tickets. Bonnarooo is completely sold out and guess who is getting you tickets to camp

with Barry Courter. These guys. Yeah. Are they gonna be right into your tent? Barry, are they

gonna be with you? We're gonna have to have some filters. We'll figure that out. Will that filter

be curious? Will that filter be a security guard at the which stage? Uh, keeping maybe they're gonna

have to find out if they can preach or not. I don't know what you're talking about. We haven't

talked about that yet. Okay. So, um, let's, uh, let's go through how you can win Bonnarooo tickets.

Laura taco has crafted a fine, fine contest for you. The what podcast listener,

you're going to follow the what podcast on twitter, the what underscore podcast.

I told you he was the best. I told you he was the best on Instagram and make a tweet or, uh, or, uh,

make an Instagram, uh, make both double your chances. Uh, tweet us, tell us why you want to

go to Bonnarooo, share a memory about Bonnarooo, share a picture, maybe of your campsite one year.

Yeah. Photoshop us into your campsite if you want to. Now that now you're talking, you can get

very creative with this Photoshop berries tan onto my face. I was thinking my hair on your head.

Oh man. Oh wow. Okay. That would hurt if you really want if yeah, if you really want bonus points,

but, uh, hashtag it the what podcast so that we can find it and that's how you gotta do it. Then

you're entered. We'll pick somebody really you have tickets to my two and make sure you're

following it so that we can DM you if you win so that we can get you on the show or, you know,

get your info. Yeah. It, it, look, rate, review, share, um, splice, cut, murder, whatever the words

are that the kids are using, do those things. And it's just going to help your chances to win

to count them two passes to Bonnarooo with a camping pass as well. And along the way, you know what,

you know, actually I'm going to make an executive decision. We will throw in what podcast gear.

Won't we love it. Okay. Well, Barry likes it because that's,

there's going to include the whole box. What size shirt you wear. Here's all of them.

How many koozies do you need anything to clear out this basement? Can you get that garage cleared out?

You're going to give them not only going to give them what podcast material, you're going to give

them an old band saw. You're going to give them some fabric that's been left over. Good housekeeping

magazines, an old washer and dryer. You've been trying to get rid of. Yes. You're going to win

all the things in Barry Courters garage. It's very exciting for you. So yeah, so follow the what

podcast, the what underscore podcast on Twitter. I can never remember the Instagram. It's just the

what podcast on Instagram, right? Okay. Follow those two things. Uh, hashtag the what podcast

on Instagram and Twitter, make a picture, make a, uh, make a tweet, whatever it needs to be,

to get our attention. And we'll pick a winner here in probably two weeks or so, right? Yeah.

Soon. So they can make their plan. All right. We've got a ton of show left. So we'll talk about

the who fighters. Uh, going to talk about, uh, some other things, including my favorite childhood

game show next on the what podcast. Thank type festival. First timers part two starring Devin

Gafferly. And I, uh, I hope that if you do anything, um, other than listen to the show and then rate,

review, and tell all your friends and then, uh, subscribe and then follow us on Instagram and

Twitter. After you've done those simple things, I really do hope that you spend some time with Devin.

I, uh, I, I have a theory, Barry. I try to tell nobody, you know how people walk up to you and

they're saying, you gotta watch this show. This show is so funny. It is the funniest show. Well,

what do you like about it? It's just great. You know, people do that with music too, right? I love,

I love Cardi B. Why do you love her? Just love her. You gotta listen to it. Why do I gotta listen to

her? You just got to just go listen to her. I hate doing that to people. I don't want to ever be the

person that's giving you something that you may not like, you know, I am never going to invite you

to my house. You're never going to come over for dinner. I just don't have any faith that I'm going

to give you something that you like, which is sort of the, you know, start of this show, to be honest

with you, if you remember. Um, but I don't, so I say this with, I say this with all reverence,

please give him some time. Give that album a try. I love it so much. I love him so much. And even

if you don't like the, the, the, the music, him as a person is just so phenomenal on every level.

He's the kind of people that I want to root for in this industry. Just want to be around. Yes.

He's absolutely his story about his dad being a wedding singer. That's a new one. That was funny.

Never thought about that. Cause we all have those cringe-worthy moments with our parents.

Doesn't matter how cool they are, good they are. His dad trying to learn a song. It's just,

it's just funny. We can all relate to that. I mean, he's cool. I will say this. I will say this.

Have you ever, um, you know, when you're, uh, you know, you're courting a lady, Barry Courter,

you know, when you're, you're looking for you dating around and you think you found the one,

uh, and you're trying to figure out when is an appropriate time to text her after the first date,

you know, it really went well. You think it really went well and you, you know,

maybe I need to wait a day. No, no, no, I'm just going to text her tonight. I'm going to text her

tonight. I'm so excited. I was like, I had that conversation with myself after the deaf interview.

I, uh, had to talk to myself, talk to myself. Like, well, can I text him now or should I wait

till them? I'll just do it now. I'll do it now. So yeah, I texted him that night and I felt like a

total fool. Yeah. Did he write back and say, who is this? I mean, it was, um, I had to send him my

bitmoji to get him to remember who I was. Uh, but no, I feel, I feel like we've got it. We're going

to be pals. We're going to be dudes. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I feel that way about Warren treaty.

I feel like we connected so much that I want to write to them all the time. Yeah. Why don't you

write to myself? They probably, well, I have, and we've talked and they, but it's, it's one of those

I mean, repeat repeats, the rare exception where we actually have become very good friends.

I, I love Warren treaty, but I just don't know if we have much in common.

Uh, I feel like I do with them. I love them. Oh yeah. I mean, they're preaching a lot. Well,

you were, you wanted to be a preacher,

you know, so you got that. That is a story for a completely different show. You got that in common.

I wanted to go to preaching camp. He's going to preach.

I did not want to go to preaching camp. I went to preacher camp and I won a competition to be a

preacher and I realized, no, I'm not going to get to this. I can't, that's fine. But whatever.

I don't know. There's a preacher camp.

What do you do with preacher camp? You preach. I don't remember what it was guys. Okay. It was,

it was like, it was like four H for like Baptists, right? It's like four H for church folk. And at

the time, look, I'm trying to be, I'll be very honest here. I am not a religious man, but at the

time I really loved going to church because really, really, really, really, really, really,

going to church because really, really, really pretty girls went to church and I was hitting on

very, very pretty girls and I had an automatic in at school. When I saw them the next day,

we knew each other from what is it called? It's not Sunday school, but youth, youth, youth group.

Yeah. From youth group. So I had an automatic in well, what would be like the rock star

in our world now? Who's the rock star of youth group? It's the, it's the preacher.

You're either the rock star or not. Yeah. So, so I entered into this competition to be like,

when a preaching competition and I thought that would get me some girls, you know,

I took an unorthodox way around. No, you're not alone, but it's just funny. I'm pretty sure

that's not on the brochure. It is not. Come to preacher camp to pick up. Not something I put on

the resume. So I, I go there and I've whipped up this thing. All right. And if you guys know

anything about me, I do a radio show for 21 years that is full of what taco? Fart jokes, fart jokes.

Got it. So I have been doing the same bit for 20 some odd years. Well, I, I guess I, I started

it all and learned it all from preacher camp. You can whip up any show and make people feel good

about it. You know, if you got the right sort of recipe, watch the movie leap of faith. That's

what I got. I literally took whatever the guy was doing a leap of faith. And that's what I did at

preacher camp. And I whipped up something that made a couple of pastime, you know,

made a couple of past. I don't know. It was so sacrilegious what I did. So I get on the stage

and I'm whipping them into a frenzy. It's all hoot and holler and, and like Barry would say,

and I win. The girls didn't come after that. That was not the recipe. I'm shocked. That didn't work.

He's too religious. I don't know what it was.

I was just coming here for the meat. That's some preacher.

I thought that these kids would be cool. Now they want to talk about Jesus. This is not what I want.

He'd be a real drag on a date. Yeah. What a boring party. Don't ever invite him. He's going to talk

about the super bowl of God. Um, so, uh, which by the way, it was the name of the thing that I

whipped up. Um, so I, can we have a preacher camp at camp nut butter this year? That sounds fun.

Mike, Mike door wins every year. So, okay. It's a long, ridiculously long, stupid story short.

The point is, is that afterwards it didn't get me girls. It didn't get me anything that I, that I

set it out to be. I won some sort of metal, but what I did realize is the power that bullshitting

gets you. And I'm not kidding about this. I have, I have, if there's one thing that has tied my entire

career together, it was that moment at 15 years old, winning a preacher competition based on a

whole load of bullshit that I then weaved for the rest of my career. And what do I do to this day,

taco on the air, still still doing the bullshit. Don't bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Still doing it. There

you go. There you guys go. Well, let's bring it up there. The war and treaty don't have that.

I love them. I don't think more than any width of a camp. I'm pretty sure they don't consider me a

friend, but whatever. Yes. Welcome to preacher camp. This is the what podcast. I love Devin too.

I want to be around Devin. I hope we get to meet at a bond room. I think that was the point. Yes.

I'm sorry to take that into a completely bizarre. It's to be as the point is I just like to hang out

with Devin. I think, I think for listeners, they have a much better understanding of Brad Steiner

right now. I think he's been bullshitting you this whole time. I feel like I look, I don't think I

hide much when it comes to my professional career. I'm pretty, I'm pretty wide open when it comes to

these kinds of things. Yeah. You know, I don't think I hide anything from you guys. This is what

you get. You get a leap of faith. Steve Martin, whispering lies and people's ear. The final thing

that I wanted to get to, I actually, there's two more things I want to get to. I lied. So we'll

make this quick. One, a Bonnaroo headliner, Foo Fighters nominated for the rock and roll hall of

fame. Barry Courter. I didn't know the rock and roll hall of fame was still a thing.

You know, you know, my feelings on lists as a, as a newspaper guy, I have a love hate relationship

with them. I read them. They make me mad like everybody else, unless it's somebody I like.

So, I mean, that's why we do it. And the rock and roll hall of fame, there's people in there that

shouldn't be Foo Fighters belong. I'm looking at the list, Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Devo. Absolutely.

I love Devo. Go-go's. Okay. Iron Maiden. Jay-Z. Yes. Look, it's gotten to the point where if you've

had a hit, you're in the rock and roll hall of fame. And it's the same reason why I hate the hall

of fame and anything. They've watered it down to if you showed up, you get in a little differently

because they have a, they have a very high standard. Preacher camp you win. I mean, I have a

problem with baseball hall of fame because nobody, they won't do unanimous and all. I mean, that,

there's that political too, but I agree. You should have to earn it. I mean, Tina Turner's on this

list. She should have been in a long time ago. Todd Grungrin. We can argue New York dolls, certainly

game-changing in their own way. LL Cool J, Carole King. Absolutely. Why is LL Cool J

in the rock and roll hall of fame? There's no other hall. Yes. The qualification, there is,

there are people who have gotten into the rock and roll hall of fame, but they've done more than just

make panties drop. And LL Cool J has done nothing more than that anyway. Okay. So the point is,

yeah, it's a, it's the reason they do it is because just like this, we're talking about it.

That's why they exist. Well, Foo Fighters are in it. You know, I, I still, I'll say this,

we'll probably do a Foo Fighters episode one day because there's so much to sort of unpack with

them. But I will say it again. I've said it before, Dave Grohl is the best ambassador for rock music

that we have left. He's the best one. He's insanely fun. He's insanely open with his time.

Um, everybody loves him. He's, he tries to bring everybody into the, to the operation.

There's just nothing bad about him. And even if you don't like the music, don't like the music,

but he is the best ambassador for rock music that we have period. And I don't know, I don't know if

anybody else moves the needle like he does. He's the tiger woods of rock music. I agree. Totally.

And then finally, the last headline from Consequence that I saw today, Taco, um, and this is really for

you. Legends of the Hidden Temple will get an adult reality show. Um, I am obsessed with this idea,

uh, mainly because first off you were a Legend of the Hidden Temple kid, weren't you? A Nickelodeon.

Yeah. I mean, that was right along with like finders keepers and double dare.

Yeah. Okay. Now we're talking. All right. So of all the things that you could create an adult

reality show over, right? Of all of the nineties Nickelodeon game shows that you had that you

could create an adult reality. Why Legends of the Hidden Temple? It was so stupid. So much else to

work with the whole exactly. The whole show was built on you finally get into the temple. A kid

runs around and then somebody runs outside of the door and scares the kid. That's it. That was the

whole bit. Why not do adult double dare? Why not do adult finders keepers? Finders keepers was my

favorite show as a kid because that house was so fantastic and you got to trash it. What more fun.

Everybody wants to do. Yes. Even as an adult, do you know how badly I'd love to trash this house right

now? If it wasn't my house, I would love to do that. I wouldn't recommend it. I'd have to be the one

that cleans up. No one else here does. Uh, why is it that that's gotta be the show of all the shows?

You know, so I had this argument with a friend of mine all the time. If I'm going to watch an old

Nickelodeon show, I'm watching the best old Nickelodeon show, which of course is, Hey dude,

don't give me the adventures of Pete and Pete. How dare you look at me and give me the adventures

of Pete and Pete or something. I was actually going to say Pete and Pete. Yeah, I know it. But,

but why not go for like double dare? Double dare is the game that would forget supermarket sweep.

Give me double dare. Yeah. If you're going to remake one show, why is it a double dare?

Barry, uh, my dad, uh, one time promised me he was going to build me a double dare

course in our backyard because I so badly wanted to slide through the big giant lips

into a pool of green slime and grab a flag. Do you think that he built that for me?

No, never happened. Yeah. That's why they didn't have, they didn't have that at preacher camp

either. No, this is why I am the way that I am guys. I didn't, I made a lot of promises.

It was either the green slime or the big lips. He was struggling with on how to do that.

It always sounds like a good promise until the reality. It's how am I going to make these giant

lips? My bet is that he made the lips. He just never shared them with me.

Hang a bed sheet and you just pretend they're big. Yeah. It doesn't work.

All right. Next week. I'm really excited about this almost Monday's A and R guys. So what is

A and R and R we'll talk about this in depth next week, but A and R is artists and, and exactly.

It's the hardest question in the industry to answer repertoire, repertoire. Exactly. What does

an A and R guy do? Who is, who are these A and R guys? And our guys find the bands that you listen

to and then craft their entire career and are the ones that curate everything about that career.

All right. One of which Mike Daly from Hollywood records is our guest next week on the podcast.

Really excited about this. If you like the booking episode, if you like the booking agent episode,

you're going to love a conversation with an A and R guy. It's something I've been dying to do for

my entire career. I had one one night with the head of A and R for Interscope records. It was

a game changer. I'm excited about this next week. That's Laura Taco. That's Barry Courter. I'm Brad

Steiner. We'll talk to you next week at Preacher Camp with The What Podcast. Love you. Bye.

Bye.