Virtual Camp Nutbutter Part 1: Jim Burruss

Tool, Miley, Bass Nectar

The 1975, Run the Jewels

Glass Animals, Young the Giant

Megan the Salion, Tipper, Brittany Howard

Primus, Dashboard, Confessional

Big Wild, Linn and Stella

Pigeon, Fling, Pinkfong, Turquoise

Still Woozie, Tones and I, Markerbellet

Yola, Bucci

On and on and on

Plus Berry, plus Taco

None of which we are seeing today on the What Podcasts

The Friday edition of the virtual Bonnaroo experience

Welcome to the What Podcasts virtually at Camp Nut Butter

With Lord Taco, Barry Courter and Brad Steiner

Podcast for Bonnaroovians by Bonnaroovians

So, Happy Roo

Can we say why we're doing this?

Because I think you guys felt it, right?

I mean, if you'd have said to me Monday,

Hey, it's Bonnaroo week

I'd have been, yeah, right

I had no anticipation of waking up yesterday

And spending literally all day talking with you guys

About Bonnaroo and wishing

I mean, I watched a two hour radio headset from 2006

Man

While I was working

Look, it hit me so hard yesterday morning

Yeah

Realizing that it would have been the first morning at the farm

That sucked so bad

And, you know, the normal feelings aside

The weather is really what got me

The weather is perfect literally everywhere on the East Coast, everywhere

And to think that we would have been graced with not only the greatest

Festival day lineup we have ever seen, at least I have never ever seen

With maybe the greatest forecast that has ever been graced upon us

At Bonnaroo

It was too much for me to handle

It was too much, so basically we said, alright, let's do this

Let's make a virtual camp experience all this weekend

As if we were sitting at camp anyway

I was on the phone a little while ago with our campmate Brian

Yeah, he's right over your left shoulder right now

Which, I don't know what he's doing, but he is a

He's a good looking man

That's a good looking man

He's very sweaty

That's a funny story, but he said the same thing

He said, I wish it was pouring

I wish it was raining so hard right now

It's not, it's gorgeous

It's not, it's perfect

But point being, we really, I mean, we spent half a day or longer yesterday

The bunch of us just back and forth and back and forth

Barry, is your shoulder okay?

It's the one, I cut part of it out

Okay, just checking on you

Just making sure

By the way, I don't know if, I know me and Taco are

But is Barry drinking this fine virtual campsite experience?

Not yet

Yeah

I know that's stunning, not yet

No, I have some more work to do

Yeah, I'm sitting

Yeah, I'm sitting here in the bus

Drinking a PBR, which is what exactly

You would be doing

At Bonnarooo

Just in my garage

Alright, so let's go through it

This is, it's Friday now

So we didn't do a, we didn't do really a show yesterday

But let's go through what your Thursday would have been

You wake up, it would have been the first morning

We would have made some Bloody Marys

We would have started drinking really early

And then, you know, made, probably made our wander out

Around about noon when they opened up the grounds

And had our first spicy pie, maybe a Cray Musty

And saw a few bands that we've never heard of

And didn't care about

And came back early for nap time, wouldn't we?

Yeah, I was just trying to pull up

Because I don't have a lineup in front of me

I don't remember who was tonight

I've got this useless piece of paper right here

Who would have been last night?

No, you're exactly right

We would have

Golly

So we would have been up there Wednesday, set up

And then we would have awakened to

We'd finished setting up camp Wednesday, or Thursday morning

Because night would have come a little bit too early

We would have gotten dark

And we wouldn't be able to finish setting up camp

Right about now is when everything would be set up

And more people would be coming through

But on Thursday, Thursday morning is a little difficult

Because not all of our camp is there

There's probably only a third of us

And we don't have all of our gear yet

So we have a makeshift Camp Nut Butter camp

And what you're seeing over Barry's head right now

Is essentially makeshift Camp Nut Butter

This is Friday morning

It's more like Thursday morning

That's a Thursday morning campsite

See, that picture is really old

Because that's not even

That's pre-Bloody Mary bar

In fact, that's me right over your left shoulder

In the tent trying to make a cocktail

Because our Bloody Mary bar hadn't come yet

And I was trying to make a Bloody Mary

In that stupid tent that was not a Bloody Mary bar

Which is unacceptable

And we don't have

The picket fence is not up

And the wedding tool and all that stuff

The bus isn't even in that one

So that's pretty old

Yeah, it's very old

Alright, so Thursday morning would have came

And we would have gotten into the grounds

We would have made our way around

Was there anybody on Thursday

That you were really, really excited to see?

I was going to go for sure to Larkin Poe

The regrets

And then just try to discover

Yeah, Thursday was also Bristan Maroney

Yeah, I just saw that one

Found on Bonnaroo Left

My dude from Knoxville

Yeah, so those were for sure

Bristan Maroney podcast listener, mind you

Let's shout out to Bristan Maroney

Bristan, he does listen

He's got a good voice, man

And he's dreamy

So put that on top

And you've got the whole package

So here's, and I said this on Twitter

But my rule for Thursday

And I know that you want to

It is the biggest

It's the biggest mistake that you can make

In all of Bonnaroo going hard on Thursday

Whatever you do, do not go hard on Thursday

I beg of you

Now you can make your own life decisions

You can do whatever you want

But word of advice from somebody who's done this 15 years deep

Don't go hard on Thursday

And it would have been especially hard yesterday

Because it felt so good

And you don't think you're getting burned

And you don't think you're dehydrating

And then

Now today

Same thing

I'm getting blown out

I am getting blown out

I am going to be dulled out come Saturday morning

And you know, I don't care

I don't care because this is going to be the day that

I just don't give a damn

And it would have been started right about now

I mean, right literally at this moment

We would be joined by random people at our campsite

By now, some of our

The rest of our camp would have come in

I have to run point for most of our camp

I have to go get them from outside and bring them in

Because we only have a certain amount of car camping passes

So I sort of have to run point on everybody getting in and out of the festival

Plus I like to leave the grounds and do a couple things

There it is

I was going to

I run errands guys

I'm the errand guy

That's right

You bring things in

But you do leave things when you go out, don't you?

Yeah, I bring things in and I let some stuff go

Every time I leave the camp

So by the time we would have camp completely set up right now

It would be humming

Camp would be buzzing right now

We'd have all kinds of gas

And what we wanted to do this weekend was sort of

Recreate the campsite experience with so many of our friends popping in and popping out

We have often oftentimes said Camp Nut Butter feels like the Merv Griffin show

If you remember the Merv Griffin show

It was basically just celebrity after celebrities walking in off the side of the road

You know half drunk and sitting down on the couch and talking to Merv

That's sort of the way that we feel about Camp Nut Butter

You have no idea who's going to sit down

It might be Corey Feldman to somebody we haven't seen in a year

So along the way this weekend we're going to have some surprise guests

If you've been listening to the show

You can probably guess who those surprise guests will be

Because it's not going to be anybody new

And then hopefully we can put a bow on it and wrap it all up come Sunday with our entire camp on a virtual call

And you'll get to meet some of the people that we talk about on this show in real life

Hopefully we get as many of them as possible

If you haven't tired of Bryan Stone's butt at this point

You'll get to see more of it come Sunday

But today it's very exciting

We're getting joined by one of our all time favorite guests on the podcast

Absolutely

And again just to point out

This was not a plan until yesterday afternoon

Because of all of us back and forth and how much we missed it

And I think how much we were all surprised by the constant back and forth

This came out of that idea

I think like I said two days ago you and I were thinking eh whatever

Yeah

We'll just miss it

Honestly the way that I operate life is if I can't have it it's out of sight out of mind

Yeah

I want nothing to do with it

Yeah I think about it

Yeah I don't think

I'm not even going to engage with it

I don't think this is about

I don't want to spend all weekend playing the what ifs you know and whining

I think it was just we miss it and it means some

This is how you and I are different

Because I won't whine like a baby

Well I think it just meant so much that we and some of the people that are going to be guests felt the same

You know they kind of reached out and we reached back out and said hey we're going to do this

And it was right away yeah let's do it

I think the trick is going to be how do we make it all happen

You know there's so much so much to do

Yeah plus it's really pretty outside but screw it

So just before we get on before we are joined miraculously by surprise by our first guest

What is that?

Taco who else is doing things this weekend

I know did I see Bonnaroo 365 first off who is that person

And secondly what is this event they're doing because they put together a tremendous live experience there

A virtual experience for Bonnaroo that I thought Bonnaroo would have done

Yeah you're talking about Homaru and it is Bonnaroo 365 and I don't know who it is

I almost met up with him at exit 111 but it never happened

So yeah it looks like he's just going to live stream some old concerts and stuff

Where is he getting it? Just from YouTube?

I don't know yeah I assume so but you're right it's something Bonnaroo should have done

Yeah I'm not going to talk about Bonnaroo's reaction in the last 24 hours

Which it's nice to see them show up and say some things that were important

But I really do wish there was something going on right now

But the community is sort of making that work

Yeah this is it

And then Ruebust did something right? Did Ruebust do something?

Well no but the virtual beer exchange was last night I think

Oh was it? Yeah I missed it

Speaking of the beer exchange that would have been today right?

Don't they do that on Friday? Didn't we do that on Friday last year with them?

I think so

There's no way I would have made it this year

Not a chance

Just to get ready for tonight?

Yeah there's no way I mean you got to understand like if you really look at the lineup for today

The first artist that I'd want to see is Yola and I'm betting that she goes on in about an hour and a half

I bet she's one of those early 3 o'clock slots don't you think?

I want to say that beer exchange started around 10.30 or 11 didn't it?

I mean we might have made it

Didn't it really?

Yeah it was early

Oh yeah

Oh my god I would be shit wrecked

Oh my god

The beer exchange started 3 hours ago

So I'm going to assume we're not even going to talk about tomorrow because that's recovery day

No we're talking tomorrow tomorrow

There is no day after today

There is no time and place

Yeah there's no time and place other than the present Barry haven't you understood that?

Your back is going to be broken by the end of the day

I would have started with Yola today and then if the beer exchange was happening earlier

We could have totally made that work

That would have been totally okay

I want to say it was early

I hate that I missed it last night

I want to say Yola yeah I want to say it was early

It was because I think they wanted to get out too

What did they do yesterday for the beer exchange?

I don't know I think actually I read somewhere that they're like Zoom Room crashed or something

So yeah I think it ended kind of early they might try to redo it

Okay

Hey I'm all in

I'll give that to anything else going on in the community that is of note

Well the Roobusts they got stuff all weekend

You said maybe not last night

We're not supposed to talk about that

Oh okay

Well they're doing it

I mean we don't have to give details

But they have some stuff planned which is cool

Okay

I think as I said the other day those guys

Is this going to be one of those secret Cage the Elephant sets that everybody talks about?

Because I don't know anything that's happening right now

Instead of Cage the Elephant it's Cage the Taco

Okay good

So it's impressive that Camp Nut Butter can bring the kind of stars that it does

And on a whim you don't know who's going to walk up the road

And make their way through the Camp Nut Butter marquee

That apparently is seen in space

It's so bright and so large that you can see it all the way from space

The guy

Look who just joined us

Hey

The most amazing and handsome music executive in the world

Mr. Jim Burris from Columbia Records

Hi Jim

Be still my beating heart

Because if we can't have Bonnarooo we're going to damn sure make it

How are you buddy?

I'm doing well thanks

I just so wish that I was

You know making my way over to the

You know my first meal of the day

Leaving the hotel after you know

Shaking the cobwebs off

I always love going down on Thursday regardless of what line up may be

Because there's just something about getting settled

You know finding out exactly where Camp Nut Butter is

You know kind of

Your settings back to you and then start to

To begin the whole celebration so

Burris had Springsteen a couple years ago

But first he had to find out where Camp Nut Butter was

Forget about where Bruce is

But he had to find out where the CNB was first

I certainly did

How many years of Bonnarooo have you done?

I know we're double digit

I think 10 or 11 maybe something like that now

And how many years do you actually get to do Thursdays?

Because I mean it's not like you're a very free man

You got stuff to do

I mean if I don't make it

I always make it down there

Let me put it to you this way

I always make it to Tennessee on Thursday

Nine out of the nine out of ten times I'll make it to this

You know to Manchester and I'd say of that

Seven out of ten times I make it over you know to the

You know to the site you know sometimes we have artists that are working

You know on the back end of it trying to do the

The initial setups of the Super Jam or you know I get stuck on a conference call or you know somewhere

I mean I've actually been on site never made it within you know the confines of the

You know

No kidding

Outside of like the artist compounds and stuff

Just depends on how much we're working on what we got to get done

And now we have the art site out there

Yeah and I don't know if you even bothered looking at the lineup this year because

Did you?

I did

Anybody on Thursday?

Anybody you're going to see yesterday?

No just you guys

Thanks buddy

Yeah

I say that because my Thursday I already knew right off the bat what was going to happen when I got there

I was going to have to come into Nashville finally get down to Manchester to check in

By the time I got off a number of calls it would have been about eight o'clock

So I just figured by that point in time

And of course I say that and then I go out on site and I find some band I've never heard of or

Somebody I didn't realize it was there and fall in love with them so

Yeah weirdly enough

Barry Jim and I have much different jobs

He has things to do

I have nothing to do

I'm just going to sit here and drink I guess

And then we haven't talked in a while

But this Friday was literally too good to be true

If you look you do this for a living you are in this industry you craft this industry

I don't know if I have ever seen a festival lineup that was as good as Friday front to back

Yeah no in fact the funny thing about that and it's a good observation

No matter who you were who you wanted to see you were going to have conflicts on trying to get around the you know the site to figure it all out

And you know we always kind of end up here

But when you have massive you know that that bewitching hour between like seven and midnight when all of a sudden you don't know what to do

You know because you know sometimes you know it's fine to go here or try to go there

But I think tool was one of the if I recall I don't have anything in front of me

But one of the three night ones you know guaranteed we would all found our way there you know but really that would definitely step on other things as well so you know

See I me and Barry have talked about this that tool slot was the slot that I could see all of us just hanging out at camp for a while

Yeah and gas and back up

Well you certainly could do that I just think you know one of the things that you find is you know look you guys know that I hang out with a very broad brush stroke of people

Yeah interesting enough and you kind of get into that look cool

What was that we all ended up at like four in the morning at the kaleidoscope

I'm waiting I was gonna I was gonna bring that up

Your dance moves are smooth Jim

Thank you

I'll go ahead and do it now I mean Brad's in radio I'm in newspaper Jim you know label from that angle but what I love is we're all fans and proof of that was last year I mean you hung out with us

I don't think you intended to stay as long as you did

No early evening and then at four in the morning quote was I am not going to see blank

Gucci Mane it was Gucci Mane at two in the morning and then we went to the oh the Calliope you know the Calliope stage and watched the flames

Yeah it was a great night one of my one of my favorite memories of all

It really was in fact it's funny because that kind of we talked about this the last time I was on the show how what Rue does to you you know you don't have to call it high five Friday people are high five and you know

by the time they get there on Thursday until the time they leave on Monday and you know to be able to sit at camp not better as one thing but everybody and we all got up and left and we made it over and Gucci Mane and then ultimately making it out to a dance party at four o'clock in the morning you know Moonshine might have had something to do with that

I mean that in the air that was illuminating

Better than soul shine

So I think Jim Jim's in an interesting spot because and just so that you can get it so we can get this right because I don't want to get this incorrect. Your actual title for Columbia Records.

I'm senior vice president promotion operation. Okay so you have I've thought about you specifically a lot and your label a lot because I'll get to where I'm going with this here in a second but with everything that's going on in the world and everything that especially with COVID.

It's wiped out an entire year for say an artist to capitalize on a moment that has been crafted for them to take advantage of you guys spend month after month maybe a year planning when to strike and how to maximize a certain moment and what that then can turn into a career.

I think of specifically when COVID hits and those moments are now missed for an entire year. They missed the big stages they missed the moments afterwards they missed the opportunities that arise from these things.

I think of Lynn and Stella a lot because there was an art that's an artist you guys spent so much time crafting and this was going to be the year that you guys put her in the in the in the forefront.

And now COVID is hit and that's got to be heartbreaking for her. And how do you guys adjust fix it figured out move forward. What's the plan now.

Yeah, it's a good question. And you know something that we've all had to deal with in our own ways, especially, you know, work from home shelter at home, and, you know, certain things that we have, you know, have been stripped away for the obvious reason I don't mean that like you know,

I mean, it's negative because we all enjoy live music, it's obviously difficult because it is part of our marketing strategy.

And, you know, with Linux, you know, specifically, you know, we've had an incredible opportunity, especially last year in the summer to introduce her, you know, to the live stage, and I'm not saying she hasn't done that before but you know as you well know she was on the TV show Nashville

and she started her foundation there she obviously can sing as in her sister, and we put her out after we did a song with the Chainsmokers, and it was on a huge stage at Lollapalooza. And then she went out with the Chainsmokers, and then you know she was ready to do her own thing.

And obviously it was going to be there at Bon Root, but with that being said, it, you know, I'm the kind of last half full kind of guy the silver lining. I believe that you know when there's an opportunity to close this down it opens up another area.

So it's enabling her to work her craft, you know to work on, you know, her socials and some of the others to that, you know, if you're on the road doing this thing you can't really concentrate on doing stuff.

So when they're sitting there writing and you know this trying time of year and not just because of COVID but you know with everything that's going on, you know through the Black Lives Matters and all the various other things that are going on in the world as well.

I just believe, you know, at least my heart of hearts I believe that you know where opportunity is going to rise to be able to write, to be able to spend time to be able to go back and catch things.

We're still putting music out, and we're still signing artists. I mean we signed a woman by the name of Natalie Taylor who lives in Nashville, and we found out about her she had a song that was out about five years ago somebody picked it up on Tick Tock and started to play

around with it with some videos and stuff like that it caught our attention. We got ahold of her via zoom, find her via zoom, no kidding have now started to promote her and did some artists industry type of you know playbacks and stuff like that, about 4045

you know we kind of did it up east Midwest West and tried to introduce her that way and as we sit today, literally about eight weeks after signing.

We're sitting at number 40 to be debuted at number 40 on the adult top 40. Airplay chart, the media based airplay chart. So, there are opportunities like that and things that we're exploring and trying to move forward.

And it's just one piece that we've taken out of it. Hopefully we get back into it. I guess by 2021 as part of that Jim I hadn't really thought about it but it's an interesting question do you with somebody.

You're the artist that, as Brad said where you were going to roll out do you hit a, do you hit a pause button and just mothball it thinking six months a year you you hit reset and start, or is it, does it have to start all over and as part of that I'm wondering.

I mean this thing is so obviously worldwide.

Does the content now have to change I mean if you know they had a light hearted whatever album plan does it now need to come out and be more serious minded or not serious minded is that any part of the discussion.

It's funny bring that up. Yeah, there's been a couple of discussions.

The first part of that is, is it's a case by case basis what you need to put cloth on. We held up the Dixie chicks release, because we had certain components built into a marketing and promoting promotion plan that was going to further the awareness of this band

and the cool, not just being able to put a song out on radio or the DSP is the digital service for Spotify's apples etc. You know that's all part of it and can be done without some of the things that we wanted to do but we wanted to announce a tour.

And we wanted to do other things that you know when you, I use an over, I overuse an expression called poke the bear.

You know, at what point in time, or if you want to talk about it, you know anybody that's a trout fisherman you know the trout is a very smart, somewhat lazy, and I don't mean that lazy like they don't do things.

You don't want to spend energy, you know defeat so they sit in the lane. So you got to get in that lane. So how do you get into the Dixie chicks lane.

How do you poke that bear that might have walked away from them, years, you know, decade, plus ago, and get them back. Well part of that is the live music scene, you can't find it there then you got to go other places, some people, you know, radio is still extremely important

to digital service providers you know listening to services may or may not, may not be. So we, in that particular case push that back and we have a couple of other heritage type of artists that we've done that with the newer artists that live in a different

place, and that we have used and we start to watch the various metrics to come out of it, you know whether it is a Spotify something that's coming off of the digital era. It just really depends on how quickly that can go.

I think we've seen the test of time some of the best writers will talk about, you know, how things affect them, and whether that's cultural, whether that you know, could that be coven related that the, you know, black lives matter could that be.

You know, maybe maybe maybe being the question working from home and becoming one with themselves or you know understanding what these four walls mean etc so we have held a couple of releases back because we felt that they were a little controversial

for the time. And just you know for sensitivity and for the most part we haven't police that ourselves. For the most part it's our artists and how they do.

Yeah, you know it's remarkable a year ago, we were, you know, in the midst of Lizzo taking over the world.

What if good as hell got tried to be released today.

Yeah, work. It wouldn't work. It would go right over somebody's head, they would turn it off immediately goes to show you right place right time has so much to do with this.

And no matter how good the plan is sometimes, you know, the world's got a different.

Beyond control strategy for you. I just wondered.

I just was at sort of add to that the idea of fatigue. I mean that's an overused phrase right now but because this is happening to all of us, you know, I mean, I think the really good artists are going to have to stand out and they will, as they, as they always

have to, but just, you know, it's going to be interesting to see what what comes out of it and at what point, people want to just move on you know if they do.

Yeah, I mean it's funny I think you know, you know, we've watched how artists have, you know, conceived their notions and started to record. It doesn't surprise me with some of the newer and younger artists that have grown up in a different

world, right, they didn't they're not playing in their garage, you know they're writing on their computers and they're sitting in their hotel room or, you know, in the back of a van or whatever the case may be.

I'm interested to see with people being confined at home, what type of reach out type of collaboration.

Because I think it's, it's some particular point in time you don't want to just sit here in your own four walls you want to start to reach out to what other people are going and, you know, do these various collaboration.

You had you had a linen Stella this year you had Leon bridges this year who else did you have in line up do you remember. I don't, honest to God I don't I had it.

I had it all written down and then I got to the month of June and waited out the entire month.

Do you think, do you think that they're both candidates to come back next year, or is the time moved. No, I know I think it is I mean first and foremost, Leon I think it's going to absolutely probably we just put a song out by him on Monday.

And I think you know she lives there it's one of the things that she's always loved if she hasn't performed Bonnarooo she comes and visits. And, you know, and hangs out there. I've worked with Leon there before.

It's a great place for him to be he loves being there. He's in. He's there is something about his sound that just fits the farm. So it was a great set man. Yeah, great set.

He goes he's one of these guys that it doesn't even matter if you know him or know any of his songs, he just fits the time and place so perfectly.

It's a it's a totally natural fit. I think it's because he, I think he just gives so much. You feel that.

Yeah, he's a he's a true artist, you know, and like you said, he gives for you know, all the way up in fact, when you were talking about when you mentioned him and reminded him it was, it was sweltering there.

And we did it and he did. I don't know what it was but it was a shoot where they had a bunch of different clothes and stuff. And here's the kind of character this guy had some shoes and like wingtip shoes that were about two sizes too small I could barely get his feet in them, but he got him in there

and kind of gingerly made it over to the photo shoot. But that's the kind of guy was, I'm like, you know, we could get you some other shoes. No, this is what they want me to wear this will do.

It's good. And what he'll do. But I will say there is one artist that I we signed and he's going to play on Sunday that I've never seen live and I cannot wait. I mean, I've been with the guy a bunch of times and I love his music and stuff like that.

Orville Peck, and I was dying to see what a weird guy. Huh. I love that.

I didn't know Orville is yours. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you, if you want to see him what do you think this is all going to come back.

I've gotten some hints, at least locally that that the local some local promoters want to do some events in the fourth quarter I know of a major city in the south, who wants to do three, if not more in the fourth quarter.

Are you see are you seeing or hearing anything that would lead you to believe that 2020 is not completely off.

Yeah. Meaning either way, I have no idea. I've been very thoughtful and obviously fearful of some of the news releases that I see like with some of our brethren at live nation and aeg I know aeg this week announced you know further layoffs and furloughs

and stuff.

You know that doesn't fit well for what we're going to see through the rest of this calendar year.

I just know that when we have artists, especially on the, on the sides of the stage, and the importance of the stage of honor room that these aren't one off type performances and stuff I'm not saying that you have to go out on tour and in there or start there

and in somewhere else. My point being is this for an artist to be able to go out and get ready to play for a show like it on roof or an audience like that takes takes a minute.

And, you know, I've seen, like, you know, Dave Matthews band and a number of other bands like that that had big tours Harry Styles one of our artists, you know they literally pick packed and move 2020 to 2021.

And it's just you know kind of how it is and some of that interesting. It's not the exact same dates are the exact same what have you. I believe if I read the note correctly like the Harry Styles tour will be just a little later than what it was slotted to be here,

we're going to start to hear at the end of the month.

And by the way Congrats on the Harry Styles thing. I mean, that's a smash, and I know it is going to go over the heads of some people to listen to this show, but Harry Styles is the real deal.

And his songs are nothing but candy, and they're good. You know they're really really good and he is one of those crossover pop artists that I can see at Bonnarooo one day.

It makes total sense. Yeah, no I agree with that I saw him at the forum here. When we did the album release in December and I cannot believe the power of that band and I think you know what it is it's one of those things that you find a couple of the other guys

came out of show boy band that boy band kind of look, you know everybody goes into the pop world, and he completely didn't do that. No, I mean he's, he's, he's like a little Mick Jagger out there.

Yeah, just just watch. I mean if if they're. That's a good question and and I know you got to go but it is there somebody like him that you can see throw in a Bonnarooo next year that wasn't on their schedule before.

I'd have to think about that I'm sure there will be I mean I think that's one of the greatest you know blessings out there. I mean, it also depends. I mean, it's so funny like like Sturgill's great example he just did a.

I think it's called shows TV, the other night notes TV or whatever.

You know he said if you got X amount of likes on his Instagram he wasn't very active, and I'm saying this and we don't represent him or anything.

And he got X amount and he decided to do a concert. And so he did it at the Ryman with nobody there, and he went and got. Yeah, with his favorite bluegrass folks and did it.

We know Sturgill well okay yeah I won't quote the t shirt.

But the reality of it is is that he's a country artist, he just did the bluegrass, but when we saw him at Bonnarooo. You know he walked out there, he was the hardest rockin, you know that was a rock band.

Crazy, and one of the best out of out of the last decade that's one of the top five performance. I loved every minute of it because it was three guys on stage and the lights were just white and didn't change.

That was a statement, it was Sturgill throwing down a statement saying, Good luck trying to beat this. Good luck. Yeah, and I think later than or the next day was Muse right which was not to say anything.

It was just that the difference is very on purpose intentional. I think Jim was there I remind me of the year that that arcade fire was on stage and put out this massive amount of sound 11 people, and the next night the black keys are on stage with two people.

You know it's it's remarkable how different it can be and still be be great either way I wasn't a fan of the Muse show that just was a big snooze fest to me, I equated a lot to matchbox 20, where it sounds exactly the same on the record as it does live, it's never

going to be different. It was impressive. It was impressive only because there were so many moving parts and they made it sound terrific but when it was over I looked at our campmates and said, I couldn't hum you a single minute or single, single second of what I just heard.

Well, Jim, let me ask real quick for you for you go.

And it's a it's a it's another I don't know I'm guessing kind of question but we've speculated on here for so much.

What do you what, what do you think 2021 might even look like is it going to be completely different than what we know or do you think it's just a smaller version and we start working our way out.

I read an article, you know, a couple of months ago or so, referring to the period of time we're in is the great pause.

And, you know, I don't. While I agree with that, I mean I really think that there have been, you know, a lot of soul searching that's gone on a lot of, you know, interest, it's funny I I get back to what happens as a new year's resolution.

I mean, I've been sitting here trying to think and how we're going to be better people do a better job how we're going to change this I mean I've already threatened that I won't go into my office, five days a week ever.

You know, I mean I do work in New York City, don't live in New York City. But why is that and it's not because I'm afraid of covert or public transportation or anything like that.

I can get so much done here, and there's a lot that I can get done there and I'm one that thinks that well you know I've got an open door policy and I'm out and I'm doing things you have the things that I'm always do.

I'll just be more mindful of what that may be and how I can do it.

So, I like the idea with the pause is I also don't like the idea thinking that well we now in a year from when this all starts to go down February March, we just picked it up from there.

I do believe we'll pick it up. I do believe you know that we're resilient, I do believe that we will come up with ways, and you know look I'd like for this just to be a blip in history you know we have an antibiotic nobody has to worry about any of the problems that we've had.

I like to shake hands, I like a high five, I like to hug, especially at four in the morning leaving base next.

You know, those types of things. No, but I think you know there's a certain thing you know 30 years ago faith popcorn wrote a book called the corn popcorn effect.

And it was really about cocooning and people not needing that natural type of thing and you read it like well yeah and tab we've gone that way sure we can order anything off Amazon, you can actually don't even have to worry about Amazon anymore you can

have a pickup or a pickup so you don't have to go out and see anybody against that cocooning effect, but that's really not what our social makeup is about, you know we do have that need to have in us who are associated through the fraternity of music.

We need even more. So that's where, you know, us being able to get out and see shows and to be able to experience things the way we used to.

I find that's going to come back. Now, it won't, you know, it won't be like a light switch won't turn it on and all of a sudden you're 100,000 watts, you're going to take them.

But I think it's going to be fine, you know I really really like again you know I started by saying I'm the ultimate optimist. So, let's hope that glass is half full.

Well, optimistically we're gonna, you know, see you soon but definitely in about 360 days, I hope. So, yeah, no doubt about it.

The path to Camp Nut Butter is well worn by the steps of Jim Burris.

Thank you very much. It's funny last night when we were sitting there going through, I don't know what it was last night but it was in the air and everybody started sending messages and pictures and what have you.

I know you had your Bonnarooo shirt I did today I'm wearing my Grimey's t shirt from Napfield, you know, so I'm always got the mindset that somebody sent me a picture on the side of it, you and I holding those Bonnarooo pots.

Yeah, the skillets. Yeah, the skillets is great so love that kind of stuff so and then we had some bunch of other pictures and it was really funny because at the beginning of the week I kind of got really excited because somewhere along the line you know Facebook will always tell you what you did

and I got a couple of my Bonnarooo, you know, reminders. Yeah, yeah, I got I got a reminder of the day that I saw Bono's deal.

I just looked up and his deal was sitting right there above me and I got a picture of it right there.

Bono's deal.

Always got to bring it down Brad.

Always down. I love you to death and I I miss you like crazy and I hate that we're not on the farm together this year but you know, soon enough.

Thank you. I'm sure I appreciate it Russ good seeing you. Sorry we didn't get back and forth but we'll do that in person.

Very you as well my friends and by the way I want to point out very that picture in the back. It's not from last year. No it's not. In fact, if that I would go so far as to say that's about six years old, pretty old.

And you might be exactly right about that because that very tent might still be at Bono. Lasted one weekend, and it's sliced open one of our guys's hands and he said screw it and threw it on the ground and it never came back.

Yeah, I'm going through pictures Jim so that's just one I found and it's early in the week so you know we're going with that one. It's a very young young young camp nut butter.

The other one. The other one was cropped funny and it was obscene.

Yeah, if you know you know if you know you know I got it.

Thank you for having me. Always great to see you again. Thank you. You bet. See you. You got it. The Patreon list you want to go through some patrons and thank them for their amazing support in a very very weird time.

Yeah, and we have some stuff headed your way guys.

Yeah, we got the shirts done the shirts are ready. Yeah, just in time for Bono. They're ready. Expecting some some gifts coming your way. Aaron Carlson Bill David Grimes Franks wants and you think it's Swanson or Swanson.

You know, not going with Swanson. I don't think so. All the questions you could ask. I was not.

I'm not sure if I saw Swanson. Look with a name like quarter I'm sensitive to people getting it wrong so Frank Swanson, Lisa Condor Phil Hanley Timothy Proctor Chloe Hannon.

Melanie Dustin Garig Haley Mary T Melody Melanie and Jesse Feldman Mitchell Stafford musical antlers Parker Reed Skyler Tory also Chelsea Davis.

Sarah Herndon Lauren at home Linda dolls Lucy young Nick Yeatman Ross McNamara Ryan Matthewsson Sean McCarthy Tyrone basket William Richards Clay Wilhoyt Andrew McBride Catherine Ricia we got a bunch of names guys.

We're going to show one day where it's just very asking how to pronounce regular names.

How do you pronounce bill billers at bile. David Solano Jacob Marty Justin Nigro Meredith Ritman Brooks Tussie Daniel and Charlotte Horton David Henson Ella Phil Nye Sean McCain and our newer group Benjamin Wells Karen Sheets Stephanie Ram Ramirez.

Can't read my own writing Romero and decaying sweet sultry velvety sounds of Barry Courters.

All right. More guests coming up. Who knows who can stop by virtual Camp Nutbutter throughout the weekend until then.

Love you. Bye. You know, send me those two pieces of audio and I'll chop them up real quick and send them back to you.

Let's do.

Answering machine. Yeah, let's do that. I think that's a great idea. Be fun. What are we doing. What is the answer is going to set up a way for people listeners to call and just leave messages memories whatever kind of like we wanted to do with the mailbox but this might actually work.

So yeah, whatever you want to say I don't.

I'll follow your lead.

Welcome to the voicemail of the what podcast a podcast for you Bonnarooian by us the Bonnarooian I'm Brad that's Barry and Lord taco.

Hi guys. We hope you're doing well sorry we're not on the farm.

You know it's the closest thing you can get to being on the farm, leaving us a voicemail taco. Cheers.

Okay.

There you go. All right. Do you want to do another take just in case. Okay. Yeah, sure.

Welcome to the what podcast voicemail hotline leave us a message and, you know, we'll listen to your voices while you listen to our voices on the what podcast.

Yeah, sorry we're not on the farm together but leave us a favorite memory or something cool or fun or your favorite part about Bonnaroo or your favorite part about Brad's hair as long as it's not a fart noise you're going to be okay.

We won't get that from this group. These are these are good people.

I'm calling right now.

We will know it's you. Okay.

All right, that was good. I'll get that set up soon and we'll have a

Are we doing repeats in 20 minutes.

Three.

You got moved to three right. Is it three Eastern. Okay. All right. Gotcha. All right. Good hour and 20 minutes. Okay, so I've got I've got enough time to do this episode and send it back. Okay. Bye. I'll send it to you.

Cool. Bye everybody. Bye. Thank you. Thanks.