Bonnaroo puts out an official music census every year asking fans what they want to see next - so this year, we sat down together to answer every single question. We walk through it all: genres, headliners, comedy acts, late-night programming, the future of That Tent's new location, Bonnaroo Radio, and more. What do we agree on? What do we disagree on?
Before the census, we catch up on recent local trips, and break down the newly finalized Hulaween lineup. Plus: Billy Strings opens Chattanooga's newly renovated Tivoli Theater, and Reddit's already buzzing about 2027 Bonnaroo mock lineups.
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We Filled Out Bonnaroo's 2027 Music Census
Barry (00:00)
What did you like? What didn't you like? What do you want to see next year? What do you want to change? That sort of thing. And as we have said, and I truly believe this, I think they actually listen.
Bryan (00:10)
I hope ⁓ I hope the answer on that by most of you Bonnarooians is yes. I really do hope and if you didn't, lie, say you did.
Barry (00:19)
Ha ha.
Welcome back to the What Podcast. I'm Barry. That's Russ. That's Brian. All right, we got another exciting show. We're gonna go through the Bonnarooo Census. Ac you know, it just occurred to me. It's the first time we've been together, the three of us, right?
Russ (00:40)
That's right.
Bryan (00:41)
In
in a few, yeah, it's been a minute.
Barry (00:43)
We we've been two but not all three together. So how you guys been?
Bryan (00:50)
Things have been quite good around here. I know, Russ that you were up at the ⁓ well, I'll let you tell it 'cause I can't remember what it's called, but that annual trip you took, I wanted to go, but those storms speaking of storms, they scared me off. How was that?
Barry (00:57)
Yeah.
Catch us up, Russ. Russ is like the nomad. Russ is that guy, he's like Zelig. Russ is that guy that shows up in the picture that you don't know. Wait, isn't that Russ? That's frickin' Russ. Zelig.
Bryan (01:15)
Yeah, it's what
Russ (01:17)
Ha ha ha.
Bryan (01:19)
it's Lord Taco's travel log. So how's it been the last how's it been the last couple of weeks?
Barry (01:22)
Ha ha ha.
Russ (01:22)
Yeah, let's do that.
⁓ it's been good. Last weekend was July fourth. ⁓ went up to Lindsay's and had kind of a five fourth of July celebration there with a few people. ⁓ sat in the creek, beautiful weather. ⁓ once again the storm just passed right on by. We really didn't get much much weather.
Barry (01:42)
Dad, that was a bad,
bad storm. I texted you and was like, Holy crap, I hope you're alive.
Bryan (01:48)
think that's the storm that got me. Yeah, that's the storm that got me. But go ahead.
Russ (01:48)
Yeah, I was sitting in the sun.
Barry (01:50)
Yeah.
Russ (01:54)
And then ⁓ so come back from that. And then this weekend I just walked in the door from ⁓ up on Lookout Mountain out there on the bluff, you know, where the planes come in and all that. We had a big celebration there too. So lots of parties, lots of camping. ⁓ no yeah, no planes this time. We did have a skydiver though. The first time I've seen that.
Bryan (02:17)
was it just
the weather that kept the planes not flying in and out?
Russ (02:23)
I have no idea. I don't know. you know, we I don't know. There's no itinerary, it's not like an airport. You can't look up arrival or departures. If somebody happens to be f out flying and they wanna land, they do it. But if not, you know, it we've been some years. You saw last year there was planes coming in and out all day long. Yeah. ⁓
Bryan (02:30)
Yeah.
Yeah. That's what I was
Barry (02:40)
It's amazing.
Bryan (02:42)
that's what I was gonna say is is 'cause I mean, you know, I'm not big camping unless there's something going on around the camping s setup like Bonnarooo. And those planes last year there was like ten of And it it sit out on the bluff and just watch fly over your head, like it's it's one of the coolest things I've seen in a while.
Russ (02:56)
Mm. Yeah, it's crazy.
Bryan (03:04)
So I I wanted to make it out there. a buddy of our of ours, Ryan Or was play a local ⁓ yeah.
Russ (03:09)
Ryan Noah, I was gonna mention ⁓ yeah, we had three
acts play this weekend. ⁓ Ginger Greeley, who I had not seen, I th but I think she's local. She played guitar and sang. Ryan Oyer, who you mentioned, yeah, I've seen him in Chattanooga quite a few times. And then The Essentials was the band that played ⁓ last night. And they just strictly do covers. They just do rock and you know all the songs you know. I mean, every song they played was was a f a song you're familiar with. So it was a good time.
Barry (03:14)
wow.
Nice.
Bryan (03:37)
Yeah, they're a they're a big party
Barry (03:38)
Nice.
Bryan (03:39)
they're a big party band here in Chattanooga and do and do pretty well. So that looked like a big time.
Russ (03:41)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, and then we had somebody they did a wood carving with a chainsaw. Yeah. Yeah, this was amazing. They had a a tree that they had like kind of cut all the branches off, and he just brought like he had like four or five different chainsaws, and he would kind of use one and shape it, and then you'd be like, Okay, I don't know what that is. And then he'd take another one and start to, you know, carve in some detail, and then little by little you're like, ⁓ that's a that's an owl.
Bryan (03:48)
you gotta show this. ⁓ my god, that looked awesome.
Russ (04:13)
Okay. And then, you know, he just kept going. And then by by the end, I think I showed you the the final picture. It's it's just amazing like it like a totem looking thing and just beautiful. And he just freehandled all. Just you know, it's in his mind. He knows, okay, I can make this ch take this piece off and shape it the way I want. ⁓ just incredible. Incredible to watch.
Barry (04:23)
Yeah, it's gorgeous.
Bryan (04:24)
I
Barry (04:34)
And
Bryan (04:34)
Did it he
did it in just a few hours and I gotta say though, when I first saw it in the in our thread from a distance before I opened it up and looked at it, it looked like a penis to me at first. ⁓
Russ (04:45)
That's exactly what I said. Yeah, I
know. I was like, ⁓ yeah, he's kinda shaping the top and ⁓ this this looks like a penis, honestly. But yeah.
Bryan (04:53)
But it's not. It's it's a beautiful a beautiful owl.
Barry (04:53)
Yeah.
It it's it's what
you see, it's whatever you see.
Russ (05:00)
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (05:00)
My mind's in the gutter, maybe. Yeah.
Russ (05:01)
Whatever you desire. Yeah.
Barry (05:03)
No, as
long as we're talking about that, I do want to say, and it won't mean a lot to to some people, but ⁓ rest in peace, Rick Williams. ⁓ if you guys are at all familiar and and and it's not just a Chattanooga thing because Overland Express, Rick was with ⁓ Overland and Cow Jazz and the Beaters for a minute, I'm pretty sure, and Sherman Williams, they were I mean, very popular in the seventies and eighties.
Bryan (05:13)
Yeah.
Russ (05:26)
⁓
Barry (05:32)
They were huge here and Rick passed away yesterday. ⁓ so God love him, ⁓ amazing talent, but also so funny. He was he was the guy, man, when when I had a new joke, that's who I called.
Russ (05:37)
man.
To try it out. Yeah.
Barry (05:52)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I
called Rick. I I can remember calling him. He'd be on the golf course and he'd be like, Why are you calling me? I was like, I got a joke, dude. I got a new one. It's so good.
Bryan (06:00)
Gotta run this by a
Russ (06:00)
Okay.
Bryan (06:05)
Yeah, I wor I worked
with his wife for a few years and ⁓ and Marianne and met her met him through her, ⁓ twenty years ago or so. So
Barry (06:08)
Mary Am.
Yeah.
Yeah. Super, super guy.
Russ (06:16)
I pr I have
probably met him at some point. The name isn't familiar, but I have known so many people in those types of bands locally. ⁓ Milton Hamrick, Tom Lifsey, just ple people that played in Overland and Beaters. Yeah. ⁓ so I I know those circles you're talking about, so that that's sad to hear he passed away.
Barry (06:26)
⁓ Tommy, yeah. A hundred percent. My brothers, both my brothers, yeah.
Yeah.
Yep. all right, ⁓ Festival news.
Bryan (06:37)
Yeah, it's it's it's too bad.
Well
yeah, before we do that, ⁓ today as we record is two years since I was at the sphere. ⁓ July eleventh, July eleventh, twelfth, and thirteenth of twenty-four, today being the twelfth on record day. And it just so happens to coincide with ⁓ Melvin Seals and the JGB, the left what's left of what would be considered the Jerry Garcia band.
Russ (06:45)
Yeah.
⁓ yeah. Mm-hmm.
Bryan (07:12)
Who's been touring ever since Jerry died. It there wasn't even a hiatus. It's it's always been some version of the Grateful Dead family. And they're gonna be at the caverns tonight. And so I'm really excited to get up there to spend the day. And they had a big EDM show. I apologize for not remembering the act's name, but ⁓ huge camping and and like little mini bonroux look as we all know the caverns can be.
It's been going on all weekend and then it runs in r to this show, which I'm guessing there'll be some traveling vagabonds of sorts in the campground. So I'm hoping for a nice old school throwback kind of Grateful Dead night at the caverns tonight and it with also celebrating that two years of the of the sphere. And I'm going with the guy I went ⁓ to Vegas with who, if you remember guys really took care
Barry (08:04)
Nice. Yeah, that
Russ (08:05)
Nice.
Barry (08:07)
the yeah, that you you owe that guy you you are the back rub, foot massage, what whatever he asked for. There we go. There it is. There it is.
Russ (08:08)
Yeah. You owe him a lot, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah
Bryan (08:10)
Well, he he's not
He's not paying for anything tonight. He's not paying for anything tonight.
Russ (08:22)
There you go.
Bryan (08:25)
Th
but Barry, you know, the the the rub here is it I don't pay for all that much either. So he's so but
Barry (08:31)
That's true, too. I'm I'm hoping
Russ (08:33)
Yeah.
Barry (08:34)
he's going in he's he's going into the gift shop and he's gonna be like, I need one of those, I need two of these, I need six of those, half a dozen of these. Get a bowl of soup with a hat like that, yeah. ⁓ bring the credit card, Brian.
Russ (08:42)
Yeah. ⁓
Bryan (08:42)
Ha ha.
So yeah.
Yeah. So it
I
am, I am, I owe my life, 'cause I'm dead serious, guys. Like that show that weekend, you know, I went into we talked a ton at the time, so but not that you would remember every bit of it, but you know, I thought, cool, we're going to Vegas, see a little dead, it's gonna be a big time. And I came back like I just got back from the first Bonnoro. Like I was like, What did I just do? And it wasn't just it wasn't just the show, right? It was the travel
Russ (08:53)
Yeah.
Barry (09:07)
Yeah, yeah.
I remember.
Russ (09:14)
Mm, I remember yeah.
Barry (09:16)
Yeah, it blew your mind.
Bryan (09:22)
the the running around the desert, the seeing something like you've never seen before. It really was like later in life now my next kind of transforma transformative kind of event. So ⁓ yeah, big time tonight. Can't wait and happy to hang out with you guys. Now we'll be coming back tonight. ⁓ I'm I'm the D D too, so I'm driving two or three of us up and we're gonna do some cave tours and ⁓ hopefully hang out in the campgrounds and ⁓ and then
Barry (09:37)
Are you camping? Are you staying or are you coming back?
Yeah, as soon as you leave,
as soon as we're done, you're heading up there, right? That's often. Say hi to Jeff. Jeff reached out just the other day. Actually, he had a couple of questions about a local ⁓ publication. So say hi to Jeff and Todd, and I'm glad you're going. I'm kinda jealous because that's sound that's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah, how did you miss? How did you miss this one?
Bryan (09:54)
Yep, spend the days. So ⁓
Russ (09:56)
Yeah, that that sounds awesome.
Yeah.
Bryan (10:04)
I will.
Russ (10:11)
I'm I'm super jealous. Yeah. I I'd kinda wanna go myself. Yeah.
I I've been I'm too busy. I got too much going on. Yeah.
Bryan (10:16)
he's too busy.
Barry (10:18)
All right,
Bryan (10:22)
But anyway, looking forward to that.
Barry (10:22)
what else? What else? What other news?
Bryan (10:25)
As far as festival stuff goes, I know, Taco, I don't know if you've made this public, so sorry if I'm outing you, but ⁓ Hulouen, ⁓ you're looking to do this this year, right? The the the best or you're looking into it anyway.
Russ (10:37)
Well
I've applied, I'll put it that way. So I don't know if I'm going or not. ⁓ if they, you know, reach out and say, ⁓ yeah, we'll give you a media pass or whatever, ⁓ I would love to cover it. which is kinda leads into what we can talk about later. But yeah, ⁓ may wouldn't be r all that bad to expand festivals that we cover and stuff like that. So I rolled the dice.
Bryan (10:42)
Okay.
Barry (11:02)
No, a hundred percent.
Bryan (11:04)
Well, I mean it's
it's at ⁓ the Swanee Spirit of Swanee music park, which is where Greg Allman had his festival for years, twenty years ago or so. And I've heard nothing but it's just one of the better ⁓ like logistic locations you could have for a festival. And this lineup, I know parsha part of it was already released, but the full thing is out. I mean, this thing is balanced with a
Russ (11:14)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (11:18)
Yeah.
Bryan (11:32)
Shootload of EDM, but lots of good not EDM rock music on it too. My morning jacket, gee geese. Yeah, War Warren Haynes. I think that might be a little bit of a throwback to the Allman brother, you know, the brothers gathering there. And ⁓ I look at this now and now I'm
Russ (11:38)
Yeah, my morning jacket. Mm-hmm. Warren Haynes.
Mm-hmm.
Not to mention ⁓ you know, string cheese. It's of course it's kind of their their thing and we had Kyle Hollingsworth on. He talked a little bit about it last time. Yeah, I've always just heard great things. I I know people that go and they say like next to Bonnarooo, Huluen is kind of their second home, so
Barry (11:52)
Yeah.
It is yeah.
Bryan (11:57)
Yeah.
Barry (12:10)
Yeah, what I've always heard is the the art element of it is what puts it to the next level. And I totally respect that. That's that sounds fascinating.
Russ (12:14)
Yeah, yeah.
Bryan (12:22)
Plenty of jam with with string and worn and then you got eggy and ⁓ lettuce and dope lemon's not jam, but you know that was a big miss. We got missed from twenty five, twenty twenty five. Dope lemon was was was skyrocketing, at least on my radar. It's a great looking lineup. So ⁓ I don't know, late October. We'll see how that goes. But good work on that, on that, who the wings.
Russ (12:27)
Mm-hmm.
I remember that. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Barry (12:47)
You taking
the van, you're taking the bus down, if you go.
Russ (12:51)
Of course. Well what else would I what else would I do? Yeah. It's it's about six ish hours. It's barely in Florida, you know.
Bryan (12:52)
Yeah. Well
Barry (12:52)
It's all downhill, right? It's downhill. It'd be easy.
Bryan (12:59)
On the on the map, on the map
it goes straight falls right down.
Barry (13:02)
Yeah.
Coming back'll be tough, but going down'll be easy. Just put it in cruise.
Russ (13:06)
Mm-hmm. That's right.
Bryan (13:10)
It's and
and ri and and just logistically so people understand from where we are right just two steps above Georgia, it's just one state away. As soon as you get to Flor as soon as you get to Florida, you're basically there. It's in the it's in the panhandle. So I don't know. Road trip maybe. One other thing here as far as
Russ (13:19)
It basically is, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Barry (13:24)
Right.
Cool. All right.
Russ (13:30)
I'm in.
Bryan (13:33)
you know, notables in the last week or two where you're kind of sticking your to more local stuff, but it's also, I mean, it's Billy Strings for crying out loud. We've got the the the bluegrass ⁓ conference here, the IBM A that we that started last year. It's its second year here, and they're pulling it out again and bringing Billy Strings back to town. W in some some capacity, there's there's some kind of concert going on there between everybody, I would think.
Barry (13:41)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Russ (13:41)
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (13:59)
And it's at our newly opened or about to be newly opened, reopened Temple Theater, which is one of the most pe
Russ (14:05)
He will be the
first yeah, he'll be the first act in the newly innovated, renovated Tivoli. Yeah.
Barry (14:06)
He will be the grand reopening. Two nights, correct.
Bryan (14:11)
One of the one of the better types of theaters of its kind in the southeast, maybe in the whole country, and it's gonna be big time, but nobody can get tickets at all. the dynamic pricing took off immediately. ⁓ thousands of dollars for tickets right off the bat. It's a s what is it, Barry? Would you say a fifteen seventeen hundred capacity?
Russ (14:23)
Yeah.
Barry (14:33)
think the
small yeah, seventeen fifty is the capacity for the Tivoli. Opened in nineteen twenty twenty one. Yeah, it was the first it was the first theater in the South with air conditioning.
Bryan (14:38)
Yeah.
Twenty one. I think it's
Yes it was. Yes it was. And ⁓ it's be it's a gorgeous building and so I ⁓ I won't be there. None of us will, ⁓ unless one of
Barry (14:57)
Not for six hundred
I think the li cheapest ticket is six hundred and something. Some of the others are twelve hundred. I don't care who it is, it can't be God. I ain't paying twelve hundred dollars.
Russ (14:58)
No
Bryan (15:01)
⁓ So
Russ (15:02)
Yeah. Can't afford that. Mm mm.
Bryan (15:06)
Well,
Russ (15:08)
Ha ha
Bryan (15:10)
I don't
Russ (15:10)
ha
Bryan (15:10)
know. You you you know the ⁓ the the brass, the suits better than we do, Barry, so maybe
Barry (15:16)
we'll see. I'll be making that phone call.
Bryan (15:19)
I know you will. I
know you will. But that about covers anything going on ⁓ around here and then I mean I this is not news, but the Reddits and the social medias are loving some twenty twenty seven Bonnarooo mock lineups. Have you seen this? I was like, Are we really doing this already? Mock line
Russ (15:34)
I hate this. Yeah.
Bryan (15:40)
But anyway, that's that's just for fun, I guess.
Barry (15:42)
Who's
number one on your list that you want to see next year?
Bryan (15:47)
I don't think I could answer that quickly. I'd have to look and see who's available more than anything, 'cause I don't know. I mean, everybody wants Tame, you know, Tame Impala was ⁓ or Impala, whatever they're called, was in ⁓ Atlanta to a huge show just last night, this past weekend, at at State Farm Arena. I ⁓ you know, that's a pretty easy I don't want them. I don't care anything about But ⁓ they have a couple songs, but nothing much I care about. But I d I don't know, Barry. Good question.
Barry (16:15)
Have you guys come across Tom A. Smith?
Russ (16:20)
Mm-mm.
Barry (16:21)
Look
that one up. Tom A. Smith all of a sudden is on my feed, and I'm obsessed. I he's like the young blood to me of this year. I I I I want this guy, so we'll see. I'll send you a link. I'll send you a link. Yeah.
Bryan (16:21)
A Smith.
Not Tommy.
Russ (16:39)
Ha ha ha.
Bryan (16:39)
Well when we get when we get to the census, yeah, when we get to the census we can dive
a little bit further and we'll do that here after when
Russ (16:45)
Yeah, this this ties
a little bit into that. Yeah.
Barry (16:47)
It's
the craziest thing. All right. We want to take a break.
Russ (16:49)
Why not ⁓ Jesse
Wells? Why not Jesse Wells, you know? ⁓ he played on
Barry (16:53)
Yep, yep. And ⁓
Bryan (16:54)
⁓
Barry (16:55)
Brian, speaking of, yeah. ⁓ my daughter read me the riot act. She was like, Holy crap, I asked you about that guy, Dad. And then I have to hear about it from Brian on the podcast. She loves, loves, loves. And she was like, What the hell? I told you. That was so great. Good for you.
Bryan (17:07)
Ha ha ha ⁓
Russ (17:09)
Ha ha ha.
Bryan (17:15)
He he i i if you
j if you just say like, hey, it his name is a little generic, Jesse Wells. He looks a little goofy if you're just kind of pa just passer by. But if you really dig into what his messaging is and what he's doing, it's it's really infectious if you if you have the same kind of ideological mindset as all three of us mostly do, and he does as well. It's so captivating and ⁓
Yeah, I I he he's hi his ascension is like is is going way high, but it's been moving slow for about a year and a half. And so ⁓ it's it's good stuff.
Russ (17:50)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (17:54)
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, Grace is Grace is my ⁓ you know, she's the one I rely on. And she just we were talking the other day and she was like, my god. She was so mad. Why do I have to hear about this from Stone and not you? I was like, Why?
Bryan (18:08)
That's funny.
Russ (18:10)
She wasn't the only one that Well there was
a and we got a ton of comments on that. People saying like, my god, I didn't know he was there. I had no idea. I can't believe I missed this. So yeah, clearly there's a lot of buzz and there's a lot of ⁓ but you know, if if he were actually on stage, I think that would be a really big show.
Barry (18:30)
I think he'll be back. I would predict if it works out he'll be back.
Bryan (18:31)
Yeah.
Well, this is another one of those very overnight sensations after 10 years. He played at Bonnaru in 2017. He played at Bonnaroo in 2017. And we I got this. Thank you to who put that in our in one of the comment sections of something we posted. And I thought, this is not right. This is not right. He's only he he's he's 35.
Barry (18:40)
Right. Wow.
Russ (18:44)
Wow.
Barry (18:54)
Yeah, he doesn't look like he's old enough. Was he twelve then?
Russ (18:55)
Yeah. Yeah, you ⁓
Bryan (19:00)
three or thirty-four. So I was like, I don't I don't think this is right. And then I looked it up and and his original band when he was twenty two years old ⁓ was called Wells. The band was just called Wells. And ⁓ they played on a Thursday and this tent. So ⁓ yeah, we'll we'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes.
Russ (19:13)
Okay.
Barry (19:17)
Wow, nice.
Russ (19:18)
Wow.
Barry (19:20)
Well, he's on our list to talk to next year. All right, let's take a break. We'll come back and we're gonna get into the census.
And we're back. ⁓ as they do every year, the folks, the good folks, Corey and ⁓ his team put out a questionnaire. and they sort of ⁓ reach out to the folks like us and ask, Hey, what did you like? What didn't you like? What do you want to see next year? What do you want to change? That sort of thing. And as we have said, and I truly believe this, I think they actually listen.
Would you guys agree? Yeah. ⁓
Bryan (20:02)
No, yeah. Yeah. I I b
Russ (20:03)
They do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bryan (20:06)
I believe that's what they say and that's what we've come to understand and I absolutely believe that they do, yes.
Barry (20:13)
I do too. So all right, Brian, you've printed it out as you have in the past.
Bryan (20:18)
Well,
of course I print everything out.
Barry (20:20)
Yeah, he's probably got it laminated and ⁓ duplicated
Russ (20:23)
Ha ha ha.
Barry (20:24)
and collated and all that stuff. Let's go through it.
Bryan (20:29)
Yeah, sure. it's been a few weeks and the and the difference this year and because of, you know, obviously a much different situation last year than this year, they did like three rounds of censuses last year of different kinds of questioning and and it looks like this might be the only one they're gonna do this year is just a more all put together in one kind of thing.
Russ (20:42)
Mm.
Barry (20:50)
Can we let's
go back just real quick because last year was such a an a a weird thing. We, you know, is it all ended on a Friday and when we started getting those questions last year, it was like, are we are they actually gonna do this again? So it was a big deal to get the questions right.
Russ (21:09)
That's true. It was questionable if Bonaru would return. Yeah, at that point. Yeah.
Barry (21:12)
Yeah. Yeah.
Bryan (21:13)
Yeah.
Barry (21:14)
And
so to even get the question was felt like, thank God. Right? Or not.
Russ (21:16)
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (21:20)
Yeah, well or yeah, yeah, you could look at it either way,
I guess. Yeah, like, God, they're so worth I don't know, you know, it is just data gathering. So it's not like it's you know, everyone's gone over and like, ⁓ and Brian likes Pearl Jam. You know, like it's it's it's not that in depth. So it is data gathering.
Barry (21:40)
But one
of the questions was, does it should it move to the fall? Which think about that. That was so I don't even know what the word is. That was so crazy to even consider, right?
Bryan (21:45)
Yeah.
I I I think
that's in I think that's in this one again too. I actually haven't looked at it since I made my first note, so we'll kind of figure it out as we go here, but
Barry (22:00)
Yeah.
Anyway, I just wanted to bring that up. It was ⁓ it was meaningful to have gotten those three last year. And I think Corey even told us the first couple were, you know, he was just breaching. ⁓ and so this this one feels a little more pointed. I'll just go ahead and say that.
Bryan (22:21)
Well, it's a lot of multiple choice, which is good. Many of the ones last year, I complained about it then as I have a I I'm anno I'm annoyed by what I do think is junk data gathering and polling of it from a national macro scale. Like, do you like the Democratic Party? Yes or no? Like, okay, man, what what a worthless question. ⁓ Yeah. And so there was some of that. There's
Barry (22:39)
Right, right, right. Yeah. Is sunshine good?
Russ (22:44)
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (22:48)
You know, you c we could have a pole a pollster on and which Brad Steiner is kind of an amateur pollster. He could actually kind of sit here and probably tell us a little bit more of the psychology of how these go together. But this one's far more ⁓ detailed and and it with with more, I believe, helpful ⁓ answers. So
Barry (23:10)
Thought so too. I thought so too.
That was my point.
Bryan (23:13)
Without further ado, I guess we'll get started here. And it starts off with a couple of them that are just very simple. Have you been to Bonnarooo before? So of course the answer is yes. If if so, how many years have you attended? We've gone over that at length. Almost all of them, between all of us, ⁓ a lot. age ranges. What's the most I guess quick answer to this will answer what what macro genre of music would you say you listen to?
the most if you had to pick one. Alternative, electronic, hip hop, rock pop, all that kind of stuff.
Barry (23:47)
That was the most difficult one for me to answer. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Bryan (23:49)
Yeah, 'cause I liked several of
Russ (23:50)
Same, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Bryan (23:54)
If I had to say you can only pick one, it would be like alternative. But alternative music when I when it was first labeled that as a genre in the late, you know, mid to late nineties meant a lot different than it does now. So Yes so now I gotta just kinda default and say, Well, I'm a rock and roll guy. But what about you, Russ? I'm say assuming the same.
Barry (24:07)
Yeah. Yeah. Now it's alternative E DM.
Russ (24:08)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (24:15)
That was me, Rock.
Russ (24:20)
I settled on rock. I mean, yeah, I ⁓ there's a lot more to it, but yeah, if you gotta pick one, that's it. Yeah.
Bryan (24:25)
Sure. But
like it says country and Americana. If it said just Americana, I would think about it. I would think about it.
Barry (24:33)
Both kinds. We got both kinds,
Russ (24:35)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (24:35)
country and
Bryan (24:37)
Don't need
those together. I could I could get too more too many more Luke Combs out of the deal, and I don't need any more of that. ⁓ you know, which genre do you wish had more of a presence at Bonroo? And it pretty much names every single one of them. And I just went my default answer active rock, classic rock, and jam. It says pick three. ⁓ there's emo, there's house, indie rock, metal, pop, all EDM. ⁓
Russ (25:00)
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (25:06)
But I went with active rock, classic rock and jam and but of course I did.
Barry (25:12)
Yeah, no, I did the same. I did the same. ⁓ we had a ⁓ somebody send us a comment ⁓ about too much EDM. And I wanna I want to get into this later in a whole episode, but if you guys remember if you saw it, ⁓ too much EDM and spread across too many stages. And I thought that was really interesting because it's
Bryan (25:30)
I saw I did. I did see it.
Russ (25:32)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (25:40)
Because EDM has ⁓ blossomed, it now has so many different sub genres. ⁓ I thought that was just an interesting take that we're probably gonna have to visit. Yeah, it'd stick all out there in the corner and yeah.
Russ (25:51)
Yeah, I mean that y used to be they just had their own stage. The other stage was traditionally just all E DM and yeah,
if you wanted E DM that's where you went. And then everywhere else was just not E DM. Yeah. It it it kind of has bled over, yeah.
Barry (26:02)
Yeah, now you got house and Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
Bryan (26:05)
Yeah,
I can't keep it all straight. I do look forward to talking to guys that know more. another one on here too that goes a right along with as far as genres that goes along with saying like alternative rock is also indie rock. Indie rock also meant something different thirty five years ago than it does now. You know, independent rock. What what does that even mean? So I would pick it too, just because it's got the word rock in it.
Barry (26:35)
Right. Yeah, I'm with ya.
Bryan (26:35)
⁓ but
but I don't know that that means that's absolutely, you know, a a genre I need more of. Because I would put, you know, geese in in indie rock five years ago, right? Like not now. They're main s they're mainstream. You can't call something mainstream indie. I will I at least I'm not gonna call something mainstream indie. So ⁓ just interesting there. ⁓ same ⁓
Barry (26:48)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I get I get ya. Yeah. Truth.
Bryan (27:04)
Yeah, a lot of these are reworded questions, but when it comes to headliners, so this is a little different. Headliners. What genre would you like to see represented most? And it's got all the typical anth you know, s selections. what do you think? Well, I mean, what where are you leaning, guys? R rock, pop,
Barry (27:25)
See, it kinda gets yeah, it that that opens so many things. It's the ⁓ legacy. I mean, is it jam? Is it legacy? Is it ⁓ current, you know, whoever the top of the pops right now is? I don't I
Bryan (27:40)
See, I would
s I would say yes to everything you just said, all three of those. Like and you could give me one of each. ⁓ I love the Legacy Act. Of course I'm a I'm an old guy. So I love a good I I love a good legacy act, which when the strokes are your legit legacy act, I struggle with that.
Russ (27:46)
Mm.
Barry (27:51)
Me too.
See there but there it is. Go ahead, Russ.
Russ (28:01)
Yeah, l there's different yeah, there's
different nuances to legacy. I mean, to me, I think one of the biggest headliners in recent memory was probably Stevie Nix. And she's definitely on that legacy
Barry (28:11)
She's probably
the last that I would consider a legacy act.
Bryan (28:16)
What what we became known to call legacy. Yeah. And so if we're gonna go that direction, I think Russ, you've even said this in the past. Weird owl was the legacy act.
Russ (28:17)
Correct. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Barry (28:26)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Russ (28:27)
yeah. He
was, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Barry (28:28)
There you go, for sure. Good, good poll. Yep.
Bryan (28:31)
'Cause
that was forty year old music. Half of it, you know. ⁓ which I loved, by the way, if I didn't make that clear in past episodes, but I did my God. Loved it. I was gonna say, so it just I mean, ⁓ I I just put re this is pick one and I just put rock again. ⁓ but I don't I don't know.
Barry (28:39)
No, you did. I think you did.
Russ (28:40)
me too, yeah.
Mm yeah.
Barry (28:52)
It's I was thinking about this this morning. I mean, people watching this, they're gonna look and I'm I'm the old gray haired guy. I'm sixty-two, I'll be sixty-three in September. You guys are in your forties. When Bonnarooo started, you were the 20 year olds. You were the kids, you were the punks. Exactly. And I can remember having conversations with Brian backstage, you know, when he was looking at me like, sh yeah, okay, grandpa, you know.
Bryan (29:09)
Yeah, it it was geared towards me. Yeah.
Russ (29:12)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (29:22)
No disrespect. I got it. I understood it. But now you're you are where I was then. and we still love this festival. So that's where the whole legacy thing becomes interesting to me. It's like, whose legacy? You know?
Bryan (29:29)
I know. I know.
Yeah, exact
exactly. What whose legacy are we even talking about here? Yeah. ⁓ are we talking about an air is the legacy the era or is it the exact act itself? That you know, you can split hairs on that a lot, but I I just love a good old school act.
Barry (29:46)
Exactly. Yeah.
Me too, and I'm good with any of it. I I I think I was I mean, I don't think I was too ⁓ patronizing to you at the time. I I got it. I mean, I'd I'd I'd love a good pop act, I love a good old school act, I love EDM act, I love hip hop, all that stuff. So ⁓ it's just it's an interesting conversation. When you were ther w you being you were thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.
Bryan (30:07)
No, no.
Well that
Barry (30:25)
Whatever the music was at that time is the best music ever. And I get that. That's what I'm that's what I'm saying. I hundred percent get that.
Bryan (30:30)
Yeah, yeah. Every every g every generation. Every generation.
Russ (30:31)
Yeah. Yeah. That's so true.
Bryan (30:38)
Yeah. I mean there's stu there's psychological studies that show that this is of everything in your life, that's your most formative years. And so the movies of the time, you know, w when do I think the the be my god. And and then as soon as you turn thirty twenty eight, Setalife sucks now. And guess what? The show never goes away. It always keeps happening. So that's funny.
Barry (30:44)
That's right.
Russ (30:45)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (30:48)
Saturday Night Live, the best cast ever when you were mid teens.
Yeah, they all Yeah, the newcast sucks.
Russ (30:59)
That's right. Yeah.
Barry (31:04)
That's right.
Yeah.
Bryan (31:08)
a good a good segue here is just kinda we've just said a lot of this, but it's just two answers. When it comes to headliners, do you prefer current acts or legacy? And the two is legacy or give me the hottest stuff now. What do you think of Yeah, well, yeah, me too.
Barry (31:21)
I want both. I want both.
I'd like to know what's hot. I mean, I like to know that's we're talking going back to my daughter. That's I relied on her to tell me what's the current ⁓ thing. I I like to know what's good.
Bryan (31:38)
Yeah, like would I have picked Post Malone two years ago to be a Friday night headliner? Hell no, I wouldn't
Barry (31:43)
Childish childish
gambino. No, no, no, no. But that was amazing. Yeah.
Bryan (31:46)
Yeah, I I ⁓
post Mal Post Malone was incredible, man. Like it was such a great and I would have never known or thought of that if it didn't happen that night. So yeah, that's a that's one of those kind of trick questions. Give me both for sure.
Russ (31:49)
Same same for that post Malone show was amazing two years ago. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Barry (32:05)
That's what ⁓ our buddy Brad Parker, remember, ⁓ before he left. That's what that's one of the things he emphasized is that what Bonnarooo tries to do is the zeitgeist of the day. And that's that's the part that people don't always want to get. The people who say, man, it used to be a jam band fest and now it's not. It it it was never supposed to always be a jam band. It's supposed to be
Bryan (32:20)
Yeah, yeah.
Russ (32:22)
Yeah and it
It was never designed to be. Yeah.
Barry (32:35)
The Zeitgeist of the day. And I think that's what it does.
Russ (32:38)
And that's really what what
the word Bonnaroo kinda means. Best in the streets, a good time. Like it really does mean like the whatever the current yeah hotness is, that's what they want to showcase.
Barry (32:48)
And
our buddy Rick from Church Boners, I think he nailed it. Bonaru hadn't gotten old, you got old.
Russ (32:52)
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (32:56)
You
Russ (32:56)
Right. Yeah Yeah.
Bryan (32:56)
that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Good good good good one there from Rick. Absolutely. Yeah. Bonnaroo is not old. We are.
Barry (33:01)
I
We got old. We moved on. We moved past.
Bryan (33:07)
All right, so the rest of these are gonna be a little bit more well, a couple up anyway that are are are easier to discuss. ⁓ would you be more likely to come to Bonnarooo if the lineup featured comedy acts? Speaking of things Bonnaroo used to lean heavily into that don't anymore, what do y'all think to that?
Barry (33:30)
I get the question. and it's we it's interesting that they ask it that way. ⁓ it's one of those things we all miss, but I never I mean, it was not it was just an extra. You know, it it
Bryan (33:41)
Yeah.
Russ (33:43)
Well, see, comedy
was done by the time that I even started going, so I don't have this recollection of what it was like. I've heard stories and it sounds great and you know, I do love comedy.
Barry (33:49)
It was incredible. It was incredible.
Bryan (33:49)
that's right.
Barry (33:55)
I mean, I can remember going Rust in O eight and ⁓ seven, eight and Flight of the Concords was playing not not the two of They weren't there, but their videos were in the comedy tent. I was like, holy shit, what is this universe that I'm not familiar with? And it was like, This is Bonnarooo. This is why it's so cool. So I I get it. And then the Brian, I know you're gonna was it Bill Maher?
Russ (34:03)
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (34:12)
Yeah.
Russ (34:14)
Yeah.
Barry (34:25)
Who played outside or Conan. It was Conan O'Brien.
Bryan (34:28)
It was Conan and Chris Rock.
Barry (34:31)
And Chris Chris Rock was on the big stage, but Conan was playing on the video screen between that and the other, right? Outside.
Bryan (34:33)
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, well
that that I think you're talking about twenty ten when he was kind of the MC of the weekend. So he was he was being the he was on stage, he was on videos, he was in interview. Like he was all over the place in twenty ten. And try and and Robert Schmeigle brought Triumph brought brought Triumph with him too. That was a f that was and and then Tenacious D
Barry (34:52)
And Triumph Triumph was there.
Smile.
Russ (34:58)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (35:02)
Funniest thing that was the
same year as ⁓ public enemy and Janine Garaffalo was in the media tent the next day and she said, Did you guys hear what Triumph said? And I'm and we're all like what? He said, Do you guys know why Flavofle wears that clock around his neck? It's so that he can tell everybody how far behind how far he
moved the civil rights movement. Moved it back. It was like breathtaking. Everybody was ⁓ my
Bryan (35:34)
Moved it back. I
Russ (35:35)
Hm.
Bryan (35:42)
That that is a
Barry (35:45)
How far back
he moved the civil rights move? Yeah.
Bryan (35:48)
That's hilarious.
And if I'm not mistaken, Conan came out on stage with Tenacious D that year. So we've actually just we've just kind of given the example of how comedy really does work at this festival. That was a huge year and it was so funny and unique and nobody else was doing something like that. ⁓
Barry (36:02)
Yep. Yep.
Right, right. Exactly. The problem
Russ (36:12)
Well
Barry (36:13)
was the tent was so small you couldn't get in. It was too small. And and a lot of people were going in it because it was air conditioned. So it was people were going in there and sleeping. So it was kind of this mix of they never really figured out how to make it work, I guess from ⁓ money, you know, logistics.
Bryan (36:16)
They are
Yeah.
Barry (36:38)
wise, whatever, but it was very, very cool to have those those guys there, for sure.
Russ (36:43)
Well then
the next question is, who would you get? Because as you know, our our culture now is so fractured and siloed, you don't really have this genre of like a big comedian, you know, so a a big comedian to you is gonna be a b different than, you know, who wh who I listened to or whatever. You don't really have like the Chris Rox or the Conans these days that could get on stage and transcend ⁓ all of you know, all of this shared culture.
Bryan (37:04)
That transcend. Yeah, that transcend.
Barry (37:10)
And for those who don't know, Rock was the only one who did the he did the what stage. I think that's the only comedy, right?
Bryan (37:15)
He did the what stage
he did it yeah, he did it before Metallica and then came and then came out on stage with Metallica. he didn't perform or sing or anything, but they that was just and then that was just a wonderful year. That was eight.
Russ (37:31)
That's cool. Yeah.
Barry (37:31)
And his big joke his big joke
that I remember was everybody's worried about a black president in the White House. They need to be worried about a black woman in the White House talking about Michelle.
Russ (37:43)
Yeah. ⁓
Bryan (37:43)
and how she'll
s how she'll mess up the whole place or something?
Barry (37:48)
Yeah.
Be scared of the black woman, not the black man.
Bryan (37:51)
That is funny. That's right. I don't remember
Barry (37:53)
I remember it was great.
Russ (37:55)
Good point.
Yeah, that would have been two thousand eight, so right before the election.
Bryan (37:58)
Yep.
Yep. I don't remember any of those jokes. I just remember he kept because it's kind of his shtick on other things. He goes, I said it. I said it in Ponro. I said it in Ponro. And he did that like ten times throughout the whole thing. It was it was always the callback kept coming back. And it was in the spitting rain. We thought we were gonna get hit by a storm the whole time. They didn't they didn't evacuate Senoru back then like they do now. Like a s a storm's coming.
Barry (38:06)
I said it. I said it in Bonnaroo.
Russ (38:06)
Yeah. Yeah ⁓
Barry (38:12)
It was awesome.
Russ (38:12)
Yeah.
Barry (38:17)
Yeah. Yeah.
No.
Russ (38:24)
Ha ha ha.
Bryan (38:26)
Good luck, guys.
Barry (38:26)
No, I I went and crawled in my tent and expected to die. I remember that vividly. Just looking at the top of my tent thinking, I'm gonna die. This is it. That was great. All right, what's the next one?
Russ (38:28)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bryan (38:33)
It never came.
It never came. It never came. Yeah, that was a big year. So w
but to answer the question, would it make me likely to go more or wanna go? No, not at all. Not
Barry (38:47)
Yeah, d I think Russ is
I think Russ nailed it. Who? Who would it who would it be? Yeah, Shane Shane Gellis?
Russ (38:52)
Right. What what name would get you there? Yeah.
Bryan (38:55)
Yeah, like Sha
I was about to say the same thing. Shane Gillis, he's hilarious sometimes and offensive and the biggest loser I've ever heard other times. Do we really
Barry (39:02)
Bargazi?
Russ (39:03)
See, I
don't I don't even know who that is.
Barry (39:04)
Bargazzi? You don't know who's saying okay. Nate Bargazzi? Is he I mean, he's the biggest right now. What is the are you buying a ticket cause to go see Nate?
Russ (39:09)
I've heard of him.
Bryan (39:15)
He's never uttered a word that I laughed at in my life. So I
Barry (39:18)
⁓ the his
Saturday Light Saturday Live bits were pretty freaking hilarious, but yeah.
Bryan (39:23)
So anyway,
I I would be fine with it, but but make it more a desirable of a festival? I would say no. I would say probably not.
Barry (39:29)
I think Russ
nailed it. I think the question is worth asking because it used to be used to be important. But who in actuality would those comics be? That's a good point. That's a great point.
Bryan (39:44)
No, that that you did hit
you did hit that. ⁓ it's it's it's kind of a it's kind of a toxic genre to go into because you're gonna fracture your audience. And so it's probably probably not a good idea. well, simple here. Would you rather more focus if they asked this last year, more focus on headliners or more focus on ⁓ on undercard? What say you?
Russ (39:47)
It may just be an era that's bug on. I don't know.
Barry (40:14)
I love the lanes. I thought this year I thought Brian and Steven nailed the lanes this year about as well as could be done. ⁓ wasn't overwhelmed by the headliners, wasn't overwhelmed by anyone particularly on the act, on the lineup, but I thought each day there was something for me to go see from start to finish. And
Russ (40:24)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (40:43)
That's pretty strong.
Bryan (40:46)
I don't remember if I've said it on this show, but I criticized this lineup a lot early on. And then I never, you know, I didn't, I didn't harp on it and spend months talking about it, but I I never really let up that I thought the lineup was lacking. But the lineup, once it came to be and it was showtime, the lineup performed excellent. I so to your point of the lanes, like every single thing worked.
Barry (41:17)
Yeah.
Bryan (41:17)
Even though going into it I didn't think it would and I wasn't sure how it would, but it really did. The the the lineup this year, as lackluster as it was on paper, really performed over the course of the weekend. And and so ⁓ that's not answering the question for me. The question is I'm a sucker for a big time headliner. I I because of my love for the what. So I mean I I don't want I don't I don't want Reef Sasol as a headliner. That's a throwaway night for me.
Russ (41:18)
Mm-hmm.
Taguin.
Mm-hmm.
Barry (41:42)
Sure.
Bryan (41:46)
I got nothing to do. I mean I yeah, I'll go, hey, there it is, cool. And I'm off. That's just one man's opinion. I like more investment in headliners, but I think I'm in the minority on that one. What about you, Russ?
Russ (41:58)
If you're gonna make me pick one, I would say undercard. Yeah.
Bryan (42:02)
Yeah.
Barry (42:02)
Yeah. All right. So
who's who's left? Who are the headliners? Who are the million who are the million dollar headliners that are, you know, out there? ⁓ I mean, that's kind of what we get to in addition to the question. I mean, Tay Tay, I mean, I would I I want to see Taylor Swift. I'm not a huge fan, but I want to see her. That would be a big one.
Bryan (42:09)
There aren't a whole lot.
Russ (42:10)
Yeah. Mm.
Bryan (42:24)
Yeah. Yeah. No, I would
Barry (42:31)
Yeah. Gaga.
Bryan (42:31)
I would fall all I would fall all over myself to see either one of those two and I don't care a single thing about either one of them. No, that we're we're talking about acts that are that are not gonna be that are not on the radar 'cause of dollars. Yeah.
Barry (42:41)
Right, right, right. Stones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
mean, who else? Who else? Who are who's left?
Bryan (42:48)
This is where we get back to do you go with the hottest or legacy? So tame right now, there there's one, right? I mean, so it would depend on who is hot in that moment. I but I still overall the generic fallback is I would rather see more investment in headliners because I like the big show on the what and the which, and I want I want high quality there. So that's how I would answer that.
Russ (42:48)
⁓
Barry (42:56)
Again, that that's a personal, then it becomes yeah.
I'm I'm with you. I love the fact because we've done this for so many years. I love the fact and Brian, you you you you'll agree with this, we can tick off the people that we have seen at Bonnaroo because it's Bonnaroo that we would not have otherwise. Yeah, no question about it. So I get that.
Bryan (43:26)
yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah. But
I I also like it's almost like the NFL draft, right? When you see the draft the day it happens, it doesn't mean much. But when you look back five years later, you're like, Whoa, look at all these players. And and I I don't find as much enjoyment in the moment of saying, Hey, this act over here, that's you know, Noah Kahan in twenty three on the on the that tent, Brad Steiner said, You have to go see this, you will like it, go there.
Barry (43:44)
Yeah. There you go.
Russ (43:46)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (43:55)
Yeah.
Bryan (44:02)
And it was too crowded, I couldn't get in. And I was like, Yeah, what the hell? You know, I don't even I don't I don't care about that as much. Now Noah Kahan on the what? Okay. Now I'm more interested.
Barry (44:11)
Elvis Costello and
Alan Toussaint on the that stage for me in two thousand and eight. my god. Can't believe I got to see those. Unbelievable.
Bryan (44:20)
Got it. I was trying to think
as you said that. Costello. When the hell did Costello play there? hey. Dude.
Barry (44:26)
Two thousand and eight. Yep. Same year that
the only year my wife came. I and I made her. I dragged her by the hair. It said we're going to see Elvis Costello in Alan Toussaint. Yeah.
Russ (44:32)
Yeah.
Bryan (44:38)
Man,
speak speaking of going back and looking at old lineups, it's always fun. Everybody understands it, loves to do it. Two thousand eight is a rockin' banger of a festival. I mean, Pearl Jam, of course, but Metallica Chris Rock. Springsteen was nine. Springsteen was nine. Okay. Okay.
Barry (44:47)
It's amazing.
Yeah. Springsteen. Springsteen was or maybe it was nine then. Maybe it was nine. I terrible
with numbers, but yeah, probably nine, 'cause that would have been that would have been three years. So Kelly came, she came for one day. We saw Springsteen, Elvis Costello. And was that was a flaming lips? Was that the year or they're the year before? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Bryan (45:14)
Yeah. I think so. I think so. Well, I mean it was almost every year for a while, but yeah.
Barry (45:19)
I remember looking up and seeing this dude walking in a big bubble. It's like, I gotta go see that. That's crazy. Yeah. Anyway, it's amazing those type of things.
Bryan (45:23)
Yeah. That's something to see. Something to see.
Russ (45:24)
Yeah.
Bryan (45:35)
Move along here with just a few more here. ⁓ this one's just pick a bunch of random bands. What do you like? or what do you like most of these? And it ranges from everything from Mumford and Sons to Nine Inch Nails to Sabrina Carpenter. You know, that's just just something just data gathering. But ⁓ the interesting question. We just kinda talked about it, but do you use attending Bonnarooo as a way to discover new music?
Barry (46:01)
No, ⁓ that that's one hundred percent. That's that's what ⁓ I would I would say that is what changed my life is with Bonnarooo because I've said before in two thousand two thousand and one ⁓ you know, I had been working at the paper covering concerts and everything. It was just this sameness. It was just that same show over and over and over. It didn't matter.
Bryan (46:07)
Mm.
Barry (46:30)
And then you go to Bonnarooo in two thousand and two and go on the regular from two thousand and seven. And it's all about discovering new music. You know, it didn't matter ⁓ before that, it was all about what was on the radio and that it was somebody else telling me what I should like. Bonaro changed that whole thing. Now it was like I want to go discover something. I want to go see something I've never heard before.
Russ (47:00)
Same. I mean there's all kinds of bands that I you know, I tend to just listen to the same thing. I guess everyone does once you get to certain age. ⁓ and Bonoroo is like the one thing that is able to inject like new, you know, up and coming music into my life. And so yeah, I definitely rely on it for that.
Barry (47:18)
I trust Brian and Steven that they have good taste. So if it's on the lineup, I I'm I it may not be for me, but I'm gonna trust that it's good and I wanna go check it out. So go ahead.
Bryan (47:22)
Yeah.
Russ (47:23)
Yeah.
Absolutely. If if there's a
if if somebody's up on a stage at Bonnaroo, there's a reason they're there. And it may not be your thing, you may not like it as much, but you can probably objectively tell, okay, this person has something that that is worthy of them being on stage here.
Barry (47:44)
I wanna hear your answer, Brian, but I would I will offer two ⁓ well, Japanese breakfast was a bad year and ⁓ little little Dickey. Little Dickey was horrible. Horrible. But what's your answer to that question, Brian?
Bryan (47:58)
I know you've said that. I know you've said that.
Russ (47:58)
Yeah. Yeah.
Bryan (48:04)
Well, my my answer would have been closer to w what you guys said years ago, but this kind of goes what I just said about wanting what to have legacy and stuff I'm familiar with and things that it might be discovery within a genre like po ⁓ like Post Malone or a Sabrina Carpenter or somebody like that. I'm more I'm more into ⁓ familiarity at Monrood these days. ⁓ the the lead up, like I I tend to have this
Barry (48:25)
Okay.
Russ (48:27)
Hmm.
Bryan (48:30)
ch one act I focus on that's new to me every year, like a single. And then I just like Youngblood this year was that. And MJ L MJ Lenderman was the year before. And Chappell Roan was the year before that. And I don't remember what it was in twenty two, but there's always that one. So that so it's it's a split answer. There's always that one that I'm just I I become almost obsessed with. And then as soon as Bonnaroo is over, I never listen to him again. ⁓
Barry (48:37)
Yeah, yeah.
Russ (48:56)
Ha ha ha.
Bryan (48:58)
But but to dis but as an attendee on the farm wandering around wanting to find new music, I don't find myself in that place anymore. I I want familiarity.
Barry (49:07)
wow. So
I'm the opposite. So two thousand and eight, I think, my morning jacket. Never heard of before. I'm amazed. I heard that. I came home. All I listen to. I mean, over and over and over and over, and I still do it. ⁓ and then Bahamas. that I that that that Bahamas has become my Sunday morning go to.
I mean, my wife is she looks at me like, again, again, we gotta do this again. I'm like, nope, it's Sunday morning. I'm doing ⁓ Bahamas is Alfie because that's my startup. And that was that was a stumble on, you know, ⁓ at the that tent, believe it or not. I think you were there, Brian. I know I know Brad was. ⁓ that's to me, that's what I love about this festival.
Bryan (49:39)
like enough already, yeah.
Russ (49:41)
Yeah.
Bryan (50:01)
Well I'd
say my morning jacket was at their absolute peak if you're asking me in eight, nine and ten. So yeah, you were running into them at their best when they're making their best music. Yeah. ⁓ late night programming, how important is to you scale one to five after two AM? I mean mine's a one, like I don't care at all.
Barry (50:12)
I became obsessed. Yeah.
Russ (50:25)
Yeah
one, one, two, maybe.
Barry (50:28)
On a personal level it's a one or two, but I think it's to the festival it's a five. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get it. I love it. I I appreciate it. It's just not for me. Cause I'm old.
Bryan (50:34)
Five. It's it's probably five. Yeah.
Russ (50:36)
Yeah, yeah.
Bryan (50:43)
What about what about
⁓ times between sets? You know, Bonnaroo's kind of known for ⁓ a lot of rushing, a lot of conflicts, a lot of missing and a lot of overlaps. They've always been that way. It's a way we you we all know the formula. We've talked to in the past, but what do y'all think? I I I don't like it as much. I wish they spread it out a little bit more, but what do y'all think?
Barry (51:05)
You wish they had more time between sets?
Bryan (51:07)
Like
yeah, yeah. I th I think there's a lot going on at Bonnoroo and you could s you could scale it down a little bit, you wouldn't mi you wouldn't miss much. ⁓
Barry (51:15)
Ooh, I
I probably disagree on that. I mean, there's y there just gonna be conflicts. I don't I I don't want dead time. and that gets to the the the A B thing with the the what and that. I understand what Corey was saying about having ten, fifteen minutes between with the idea that people would hug and howdy and, you know, whatever. ⁓ that's bull. Just I
One act stops, another one should start. I think that's how festivals should work. That's how Shaky Knees does it. I love Moon River. I love it. I don't I don't want dead time. It's
Russ (51:51)
That's how shaky knees does it? Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Bryan (51:56)
So well well, but I mean that that's that's a version of what I'm saying too, though, because there's there's overlap a lot too. So ⁓ but it's hard to do because you have so many multiple stages. It's just there's a lot of noise pollution in Center Roo. It's it's tough to get to a good spot where you can really focus in on certain things sometimes, is maybe my main reason for going there.
Barry (52:19)
So
you're you're saying you would like to have maybe left Youngblood and had ten minutes to get to this stage to see whatever that act was.
Bryan (52:29)
Something like that. Yeah. I mean if you're just making me pick one again, it's I the the two answers are yes, cram as many bands in as possible, or no, I hate rushing back and forth. So this ain't a a great question. I don't say yes, are you? See, I'm I would I would push towards possibly ⁓ a little bit less. What about you, Russ?
Russ (52:38)
Hmm.
Barry (52:40)
I'm I'm going with the first. Yeah.
Russ (52:49)
It's all dependent. I mean, if there's something if there's two bands that I wanna see back to back, yeah, I might want time to get in between. If I wanna see every minute of every single one, ⁓ it it's just entirely dependent on who you're talking about. ⁓ otherwise if it's just yeah.
Bryan (52:54)
Well
Barry (53:02)
Yeah. That's a tough one. That's a tough one.
Bryan (53:03)
Yeah. Yeah.
I just don't want like like the which and this, like there are a lot of people who are like, I can't believe those guys said which sounded good. Well, which sounded good every time I was there, so that's all I can go that's all I can go on. But if you're on the right side of which and you're close to this over there and you've got Tyler Childers here and you've got ⁓ you know, I don't know, some kind of EDM act over here, you've got a LSZ, you've
Barry (53:13)
Yeah.
Russ (53:17)
Yeah, it sounded great to me. Yeah.
Barry (53:26)
Yeah. LSZ
Bryan (53:31)
You've got a bleed that is ⁓ unbearable. So that's kind of where I mean, like sh get this turn this stage off and let's do but so that's that but that's not possible sometimes. Sometimes you you have to do that. ⁓ we already mentioned it slightly, but we didn't talk about it. ⁓ would you be more likely to attend in September than June? I I I I wouldn't be less likely. I mean
Russ (53:36)
Yeah.
Barry (53:43)
It's a tough one.
June.
Bryan (53:59)
I would go either one, but it it's a June festival. You know, we all agree on that. It's a June festival. They've they've cornered the market on June. It doesn't need to be in September. ⁓ how important is the Super Jam from one to like five? Very important and not important at all.
Russ (54:04)
Yeah, it's not moving. Yeah.
Bryan (54:18)
I have it very close to not important at all. I've almost never been.
Russ (54:22)
I I w yeah, I was about to say I don't remember the last time I actually went to a Super Jam.
Barry (54:27)
It's a three. It's a three for me.
Bryan (54:27)
Too damn c it's too crowded in that damn
tent. It's too crowded in that tent, man. It's just not an it's not an enjoyable time unless you really are dedicated and you get in there.
Russ (54:30)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (54:37)
It's a three. I I think it's I think it's a big part of what makes Bonaro special. D does that mean that I go every year? No. But I I think it's awesome. I think it's great.
Bryan (54:50)
All right. ⁓ a few more here. I'll move a little quicker here as we're ⁓ as we're we're stretching on time a bit. But ⁓ for Thursday Rue, would you rather have the what we had or more what we used to have? More more tents open or the or the or the ma or the main stage?
Russ (55:05)
Yeah.
Barry (55:06)
Open it up.
Russ (55:07)
I yeah, I prefer the more traditional you know, you don't have to have an act on the what stage, but just have it more smaller bands Thursday, just like we have before. I d I r I really wasn't a big into the opening thing this you know.
Bryan (55:17)
I agree. I I
Barry (55:18)
I hundred percent. Hundred percent. And
Bryan (55:21)
Yeah.
Barry (55:22)
it didn't work. I mean it
Bryan (55:23)
I don't I don't think it worked that well. And this is gonna load in the these questions are gonna run into each other. So let's do this too. How did because this we can bounce back and forth with these two? How do you feel about the new location for that? Parenthetically, pretend there was no mud. I I will not pretend there was no mud. But
Barry (55:39)
Ha ha.
Russ (55:40)
Mm. Hm.
Barry (55:43)
You weren't
you weren't with us when we saw Shelby, but yeah, I ⁓ I like it. I may be the only one, but I like it. I'm not sure that they shouldn't take the tent part down and just make it a stage. and I will add that they can move it because that fence can be moved. I've heard people say, you know, it's too close. Well, it was too close because they moved the fence in because there was only forty five thousand people.
Russ (55:53)
I I liked it too, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Barry (56:11)
I like it. I like the A B part of it. ⁓ I didn't I mean I it didn't bother me that we'd lost it. We're in the corner. I like the beer brews, beer brew, what was it called? Bonnaroos. I like that. I loved having a place to get out of the sun, sit down, have a beer in that corner. I watch some I'm all for it. I I thought it was fine.
Russ (56:24)
Bonnie Ruse.
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (56:38)
Yeah, I I I I don't mind Monaroo's Bonnaroo's nice little place over there. You know me. I'm gonna I'm gonna lean into it. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. And I think that the the entire field was ruined by Friday night. there's too much traffic out there. ⁓ I can't pretend there wasn't mud. It rains every year at Bonnaroo. There's gonna be mud a and with the increased traffic out there on Thursday. There wasn't any traffic at all out there.
until the last few years, right? That was a dark, closed, it was roped off. You couldn't walk out to the wet field. Now
Barry (57:13)
Yeah, it always felt like going to
a different venue to me. I never understood that. From the beginning, I never understood why the what was treated like a completely different venue.
Russ (57:16)
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (57:18)
Well
Well, it might be maybe because it's just because uninterrupted and and left alone there facing its own way, it's the best sounding stage in the world, maybe. I mean, I d I I ⁓ all I know is is that you increased the traffic, it rained like hell a few times, and then you added the additional stage and the place was impassable at in in in portions by Saturday morning. I I I
Barry (57:34)
Well, there was that.
Here's what I never did, Brian.
Did you ever I mean, you probably did because you had you had acts that you were so ⁓ locked in on seeing. I never understood people who would go to the what at like ten, eleven, twelve, noon, whatever, and just camp to see one act that was that night. And that was early, early on. Later yeah, now they would have a three o'clock and then a five o'clock and whatever.
Bryan (58:11)
Before they do things the way now, yeah.
Barry (58:17)
I never understood going over there and missing all of these other shows just to get in the pit or whatever for the headliner at the what. That's what I mean. That's what I mean by I'm like, it was like its own its own separate venue. I never understood that. So anyway, I I'm kind of for it. I loved Russ and I. We walked in, you know, we saw young blood, we turned around, we saw geese.
Bryan (58:29)
Well, I haven't done that either. Yeah.
Barry (58:47)
I I thought that was pretty cool.
Russ (58:47)
Mm.
Bryan (58:48)
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I know that.
Russ (58:49)
And, you know, like the chats and then turn around and see Blues Traveler and yeah.
Barry (58:51)
And then
Bryan (58:53)
No doubt. I mean, in conceptually, I love the stage ⁓ A B, A, B, A, B. I lo I I do this just this is not that traditional version of what we're talking. We talk about shaky knees. These are two big stages right next to each other. Like it's not th th this is a contrived forced idea that because of the weather, now maybe this is just the outlier of this year, that whole field was.
Russ (59:01)
Mm-hmm.
Barry (59:09)
Right. True.
Yeah.
Bryan (59:21)
ruined by Saturday early. And then by Sunday it was impossible without having the proper footwear and the proper things, you know, t to to be able to to weather that kind of thing. So I think that's a big reason why. Plus I just don't like it out there. So it didn't it didn't I didn't have to search long to find a reason to not like it. But, you know, hey. ⁓ did you tune in to Bonnaroo Radio? That's a question on here. Of course we did. We listened every minute, every minute of every
Barry (59:41)
I get it. I get it.
Yes. Yes. Thank you,
Russ (59:48)
I did. Yeah. Yeah, of course.
Mm-hmm.
Barry (59:51)
Bryan Stone, for crushing our shows. Awesome. Well done.
Bryan (59:54)
I
I hope ⁓ I hope the answer on that by most of you Bonnaroovians is yes. I really do hope and if you didn't lie, say you did. Cause they can't prove it. They can't prove that you didn't. ⁓ just a couple more here and then we can wrap it up. ⁓ Okay, sorry, here's a this to continue on that point.
Barry (1:00:05)
Well done.
Russ (1:00:05)
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (1:00:18)
If you did tune in, do you feel like it was helpful with essential festival communications? And I have a ⁓ an interesting answer to this. What do you think, Barry?
Barry (1:00:27)
⁓ I enjoyed it. I d no because I didn't listen enough that it would be essential. But I mean I'm so glad it's back. I'm glad we were able to participate. ⁓ I hope that we can figure out how to use it next year.
Bryan (1:00:44)
Yeah. What about you, Russ? Did you give it a much at while you were there?
Russ (1:00:49)
yeah, we listened while we were there. I wouldn't say that we tuned in like to hear any kind of announcements, but ⁓ you know, just sitting there at camp, hey, let's turn on Bonnaroo Radio. I mean, it was great for that. ⁓ I I didn't find ⁓ cell service lacking this year. So ⁓ yeah, I was able to get updates that way, which I guess is kind of the default way now. So it wasn't like, my phone's not working, let's turn on the radio and see what's going on. ⁓
Bryan (1:01:00)
yeah. Yeah.
Barry (1:01:05)
No, it was awesome.
Bryan (1:01:17)
Sure.
Russ (1:01:18)
But just to have something on in the background then it was was super cool.
Bryan (1:01:22)
Well, my my complaint about it is gonna be, and I listened a lot, is first of all, Ben, ⁓ I'm s my last name's apologi i is is escaping me and I apologize, but who is the main ⁓ programmer for all this just absolutely killed it. Killed the way he put it together. It was layered so well, it sounded so good. I was really happy with that. But when we were in the
Russ (1:01:48)
Mm-hmm.
Bryan (1:01:51)
you know, i in the festival on that Friday there was a huge ⁓ dumping you know rain and a storm and then another cut time or two and I wasn't getting information coming from there that was updated much at all. And that's because it was back in the hands of Rooster one one five. I don't wanna hate on the station 'cause I like the station.
But it was canned stuff that was running all day. You know this, Barry, these lazy radio stations that that exist now. You hear a weather forecast on it, and it was put in to six AM this morning. You know
Barry (1:02:22)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's
it's always funny to me to be listening in the radio and then go to the grocery store and see the DJ in line with me. Hey, it's wait, what aren't I just saw you. Yeah.
Russ (1:02:30)
Yeah.
Bryan (1:02:31)
⁓
Is right
Russ (1:02:35)
Yeah.
Bryan (1:02:36)
there. So you're getting weather at 5 p.m. that was put in at 6 a.m. this morning doesn't do you any good. And there was a version of that. So I would like more. Hey, I'm volunteering, guys. Give me a ring. ⁓ you know, on site, hey, here's what's happening this moment. And I'm telling you exactly what I'm seeing and who I'm with and who's giving me information, rather than a more traditional radio canned.
Barry (1:02:41)
Right. Right.
Bryan (1:03:03)
weather forecast. So I I would say it could be much more effective and I will help you, Bonnaroo, do that if you would like. Last one, it's got three versions of it. ⁓ we'll just simple though, keep it simple. Did you see a show at the where stage or the UFO stage and say we'd call it there in the corner? I did not.
Russ (1:03:04)
Thanks.
Barry (1:03:21)
No.
Russ (1:03:22)
I did not.
Barry (1:03:23)
Heard, but didn't see.
Bryan (1:03:25)
I wandered over when Corey and his buddy, whoever that was, was playing some Grateful Dead. All they were doing is just playing music from their laptop. Steven. And I, you know, I love you guys. And I listened to A Little Dead. There was nobody there. It was just like it was just it was just a jukebox. ⁓ so I d I have no opinion on it. I don't know if it did well, but ⁓ I would say probably. I think people liked it over there, I think.
Barry (1:03:32)
Steven.
Russ (1:03:33)
Steven, yeah.
Barry (1:03:52)
Yeah, no, I like it. I like the idea. I I mean I did I think L S Z was over there, right? Wasn't that Sunday night or Saturday night? Sunday it was loud as a mother.
Bryan (1:04:00)
I don't know. I don't know. But I think
Russ (1:04:03)
I was just
I was just a little underwhelmed with the size. I mean, I walked over in the daytime before any acts were playing and I thought, ⁓ this is it. Like, it's really not that big and you know, it it it it looks fine in the woods, especially when they had it up top. But yeah, when it's just sitting in the ground, just in the middle of a field, you're like, ooh, this this looks like something you'd set up in your backyard for your kids to play in.
Barry (1:04:13)
Yeah, you and I walked over.
Bryan (1:04:16)
I thought.
It looks like junk. It looks like junk. Yes, I agree.
Barry (1:04:32)
Yeah.
Everything does in the daylight.
I look like junk in the daylight. ⁓
Bryan (1:04:38)
⁓ good point.
Russ (1:04:39)
True. It was middle of the day, so I didn't really see it all lit up and in in production at night. You know, it probably was a lot better at night.
Bryan (1:04:48)
It
same here. I saw it during the day. It looked like a a playground item at an old McDonald's from the eighties. That's what it looked like. Some kind of dangerous sliding
Russ (1:04:58)
Yeah. Fair. Mm yeah. ⁓
Barry (1:05:00)
Wow. And old and old
Hardy's on the side of the ⁓
Bryan (1:05:08)
Grimace, right? Like the grimace thing. I don't know. But at night, at night, I'm sure it's a whole different thing. And then what did you think of Bonnie Ruse? We are we already said I I think it's a a space like that is excellent. An excellent place. It's an excellent res respite from all the other stuff.
Barry (1:05:09)
That's funny. All right.
Russ (1:05:12)
Yeah.
Loved it. Loved loved everything about it. I would say more Yeah.
I would say more TVs. I w I you know, they had one inside and one outside. I expected more like you walk into Buffalo Wild Wings and you see like a wall of TVs with everything you you know, every sport you want to watch.
Barry (1:05:39)
I totally agree, but I go back to what I said a month ago. I don't go to Bonnaroo to watch soccer. It bother it bothers me a little bit. I mean, it bothered me at Moon River. It bothered me at Shaky Knees. I'm not there to watch college football, guys. I'm there to watch music. But I loved having the shade. I loved having the beer. I loved all.
Bryan (1:05:48)
But
Russ (1:05:48)
Yeah.
Bryan (1:06:05)
There it is.
Russ (1:06:06)
Well, you and I, you know, we we Yeah. Well, you know, we tried to get a beer in there. We you know, remember we walked in and sat down and they Yeah, they said, we're waiting on ice. Give us about fifteen minutes and you know, we sat there and waited and thought, ⁓ even if they get ice now, it's still gonna be thirty minutes to an hour before it's cold. Yeah. Yeah.
Barry (1:06:07)
But I ain't there to watch a dang soccer game. So Yeah, well there was that too.
Yeah. Yep. Yeah, it ain't gonna be good. It didn't go be good.
Bryan (1:06:26)
About to say yeah, we need a lot
more than fifteen minutes here on this one. ⁓
Russ (1:06:33)
And this w
Barry (1:06:33)
Yeah.
Russ (1:06:34)
what time was it? It was like what el it was eleven thirty. I mean, it wasn't like first thing in the morning. It was like you sh you guys should be up and running by now.
Barry (1:06:35)
Eleven thirty, eleven fifteen.
No. No.
It was yeah. Anyway.
Bryan (1:06:45)
Barry, I'm with ya. I mean I I don't go to a festival to watch sports either and I I find the obsession with football, American football, especially college to be odd. But I like sports and I like ⁓ sports bars and I like people who hang out in sports bars and you know
Barry (1:06:58)
Me too.
There is no
greater Notre Dame football fan than me, but I have always loved that you don't see guys walking around, guys and girls walking around wearing sporting their SEC rules and their Alabamas and their Notre Dame. It's not why we're there. We're there for music. And I've always loved that and appreciated it. And so I'm conflicted on that one.
Bryan (1:07:08)
I don't know.
Yeah.
Russ (1:07:26)
True.
Do you remember the sports bar from Exit one eleven back in twenty nineteen, Brian? I thought that worked really well. Yeah.
Bryan (1:07:31)
Yeah. They had a bunch of T Vs in there. But that was football
sea that was football season. And so
Barry (1:07:36)
Moon River was in
Russ (1:07:37)
Right, yeah, a different
time of year.
Barry (1:07:38)
Moon River was in September. I mean that the that that that place was packed with people watching the Vols in Alabama, I think. And it hurt me it hurt it hurt my heart that we're I get it.
Russ (1:07:40)
Mm.
Bryan (1:07:46)
Well, I I'd I'd be lying.
Russ (1:07:49)
Yeah.
Bryan (1:07:52)
I'd be lying if I didn't say I was in there watching the Titans one year 'cause it was opening week. It was opening week and I I wanted it Yeah.
Barry (1:07:58)
I c I get it. I get it. It just
it's just something's icky about it.
Bryan (1:08:04)
I hear ya. Last one on here, which we don't need to ⁓ to to do here, but it was just an interesting thing to get people to ride in was ⁓ just who do you want to see name your favorite band, right? Like so I don't know how much that goes, but that's the final one on the twenty twenty seven Bonnaroo Music Census. So hopefully you've taken it. ⁓ sure it's I don't know if it's closed up yet or not. We we sat on it for a few weeks. So we apologize about that, but
Russ (1:08:16)
Mm-hmm.
Ha ha ha.
Barry (1:08:30)
Tom
A Smith Look it up
Bryan (1:08:34)
Tom
A. Smith.
Russ (1:08:35)
yeah.
I'll look it up. well yeah, send it. We'll look it up. I I put Radiohead on there.
Barry (1:08:40)
Ooh, that's a good one. Yeah, I'd see them again.
Bryan (1:08:42)
Yeah. I'd love
I'd love to see Radiohead back. Love to see that. Well I gotta get going to the caverns, guys. What what are we doing here? Are we done?
Russ (1:08:45)
Yeah.
Barry (1:08:47)
All right.
Russ (1:08:49)
Okay. Well we got ⁓
Barry (1:08:49)
I don't know, my Kelly Kelly asked
me this morning how it's g i it'll be quick. It'll be a short one. It never is.
Russ (1:08:56)
We never do short ones. Yeah. ⁓
but I will mention we have our own survey out now. Brian, I know you mentioned you hate this, but it's mostly just market research, just kind of about our own show. You know, how do you listen? Where did you hear about us? What do you wanna what kind of stuff do you want us to cover? So we'd appreciate everyone to fill that out and just just give us some ideas of, you know, how we think how you think our show's going. Independent of any other major festival, but you know.
Bryan (1:09:25)
No, data's very important. And when it when I ⁓ w ⁓ my my biggest hate on it is is like national polling for, you know, political stuff and it's you know, it it just it gets a little in the weeds. But no, yeah, I I didn't even know that. That's that yeah. ⁓ we'd appreciate you guys ⁓ taking a look at that.
Russ (1:09:45)
Yeah, we'll drop it in the ⁓ in the show notes and everything and and put it out on social media. So maybe we'll get some responses to that. So just thought I'd piggyback off of our survey talk here. Mm-hmm.
Bryan (1:09:55)
Yeah, no. Very very
good, ⁓ very good call to action there and I like it.
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