Bonnaroo Adds Sunrise Sets...and Barry Makes His Most Embarrassing Mistake Yet

But man, you messed this one up.

And I can't explain to you how much it has affected my life

this last week.

It's kind of a festival shrinkflation and maybe this is

part of trying to add value back.

Welcome back to the What Podcast.

I'm Barry.

That's Brian.

That's Russ.

Russ.

Man, you're always in the coolest places.

That's a hell of a green screen you got there, Russ.

Like last time, this is real.

This is real.

Yeah, your basement looks different.

Yeah.

Where are you, man?

I'm at the lake.

I'm at my aunt's house down in Georgia.

She lives right here on the lake.

And so we're here for the weekend.

And so I just thought I'd check in here with you guys while

I'm sitting here on the deck.

PBR time, baby.

Life is good for us.

For those who don't know, we record in the morning.

So it's the classic.

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.

That's right.

Absolutely.

All right.

We got an interesting show.

I think today we're going to talk a little bit about Bonnarooo.

We're going to talk a little bit other festivals and then

we're going to talk a little bit Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Just because it, I mean, Brian and I are those type of things

are fodder.

They're so easy.

It's well, it's low hanging fruit, low hanging fruit,

low hanging fruit, but it's always fun.

I'm a sucker for a list and I'm a sucker for inductions into

ceremonial type things like the Hall of Fame.

And this a lot of this comes from sports for both sports

guys, but specifically baseball like the, you know, the Hall

of Fame baseball.

Oh my God.

People will fight over that at times.

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has got a whole different kind of

television programming.

None of this really means anything nature to it, but it's

still fun, especially with a lot of first year nominees.

So we'll touch on that a little bit later on in the hour.

Exactly.

But first I need to eat a big old fat plate of crow.

Yeah.

I mean it speaking of things, it doesn't matter.

This doesn't matter, but man, you mess this one up.

If you want to reset it.

Yes, I will.

And I can't explain to you how much it has affected my life

this last week.

I am beyond embarrassed.

I'm it's affected your life.

It's affected my life last week.

I mentioned on the show at the beginning that I went down

to see my daughter who I love and adore who is a music fan,

music snob like myself.

I'm very proud of her.

I have shaped this child into what I want.

She loves the same music I do.

And so when I got to her house last week, she had bought a

book for me, Danny Clinch coffee book, photo book.

And I walked into the room and I looked at the cover and I

thought, oh my God, that's Jim James on the cover.

My everyone who listens to this show knows I love my morning

jacket of contemporary music.

I would say it's your favorite, right?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

The Beatles next level my morning jacket and Bonnarooo to me

are intertwined.

I mean, I can't explain to you how deeply.

Yeah.

I am a my morning jacket fanatic and which is what makes this

even more painful for me.

Yeah.

And I just think my morning jackets.

Okay, but we'll come back.

I get it.

I get it.

2008 when I saw them that changed that that in Bonnarooo

became I became a my morning jacket and a Bonnarooo fan.

So when I saw this book, I thought that Jim James never

gave it another thought all weekend.

I mentioned it.

I sent pictures to you guys.

I got this book.

I talked about it and then what Monday I guess I'm looking

at our discord and I don't know who I don't know who but

somebody said that's Eddie Vedder on the cover.

I wish I could have been involved in this thread.

I know you damn it.

I don't go to the discord enough, please.

Let me comment on the video.

I don't think it was this good.

You should join our discord.

Right.

All right.

You're right.

It was on YouTube.

You're right.

You're right.

Oh my God, my heart just dropped.

I just I was like once I see it once you see it you can't

unsee it.

It's Eddie Vedder.

There's no question about it.

I don't I have no excuse.

I don't know what happened.

But let me just explain to you how much this impacted me.

So this morning I got up because I knew we were going to

be going to record.

I've been listening to my Victrola all morning.

I've been listening to Bing Crosby and Bob Hope.

I'm going back in time trying to cleanse.

That's way back in time.

I'm trying to cleanse this horror that I've done.

Does any of this have to do your regret?

I mean with you giving me shit all these years about my

idolatry of Eddie Vedder and then that's part of it.

I've thought about as soon as it happened.

I was like it couldn't have been any worse.

It I mean it's it's Danny Clinch who I adore.

It's rock and roll.

I should know better.

Yeah, it's Eddie Vedder who you adore and you think is a

little annoying.

Yes, your love for him.

So, I mean it's like if I were going to step on my own penis

I could not have come up with any better way to have stepped

on my own foreskin.

There's an admission.

I mean pile on please because I'm trying to.

Well, there is a bit of a vibe of old man says he's a big

My Morning Jacket fan, huh?

Yeah, right.

Fan over there.

Yeah, right name three albums.

I'm Mr.

Mr.

Music guy.

I don't know the difference between Jim James and anybody

they've three songs named three band members.

There it is.

I got a biggie t-shirt on I can't name three songs.

Sure.

That's biggie.

Well, but it tracks with with Clinch because of Springsteen

Vedder and I would say somewhere near the top of his list of

many bands.

He's multiple times shot would be Jim James and My Morning

Jacket too.

So all I was gonna say it could be it could be Jim James.

I mean, they're both, you know, long-haired guitar guys.

It the image is similar.

I can't explain it but the image is enough.

That's all I saw and then in my mind once I saw that image

I never I never looked at the cover any closer.

So it was Jim James.

So but man, I I it has bothered me all week for so many

reasons.

I I'm glad it's bothered you.

I'm glad it has because that's the kind of thing that would

make me feel like a total dope too.

Well, then that's the thing and you know, Brian because you've

been in radio and I was in newspapers when when I make

mistakes a lot of people see it.

It's not like, you know, I you know, whatever it's suddenly

an error in the newspaper, you know, hundred thousand people

see it and you can't undo it.

Yeah and errors and misinformation and misspeaking and

getting it wrong used to be a really big deal.

Yeah used to be a big good news is now an era we're living

in who cares doesn't matter.

Well, it's bothered me.

I I you know, I will forever especially again because it's

you and it's better.

It's not like I mistook him for now.

I want it now.

I want that book because of my dumbness dumbness dumbness

whatever you want to call it.

Not dumb nuts.

My my stupidity it has forced me to rethink music and when

I say I've been listening to Bing Crosby on the Victrola.

I'm not kidding.

I have a Victrola.

Oh, I believe you and it just reminds me that it is about

the music we have done and I've probably as guilty as anybody

been talking about Bonnarooo and festivals and the community

spirit and the blob, you know the all the extras but it really

is about the music and that's when I say that I'm a huge

my morning jacket fan from 2008 that concert that show

changed my life going to Bonnarooo and seeing them at that

show.

They did four hours.

I saw two of it two hours of it because I've just was like

I can't do this.

It started to rain but that literally reinvigorated my

whole love for this genre and I sent you guys because I was

laying in bed this morning.

I sent you both a couple of links.

There's a guy on YouTube who basically just randomly kind

of plays music for people and then ask them to talk about

the song and what it means to him one of them was a history

of Grateful Dead in ten songs and then a history of CBGBs

in ten songs and I sent them both to you because obviously

Brian I know you're a big Dead fan.

So he interviewed David Lemieux who is I didn't know there

was such a thing.

He's the historian for the Grateful Dead and then the other

is Roberta Bailey.

She was a photographer.

She wasn't at the time she became a photographer during

the heyday of CBGBs and those two things I've watched them

both they're long they're hour-long but those you know,

we're talking about the history of music the Grateful Dead.

There's no question they're placed in in the music and then

CBGBs with television Blondie the Ramones.

CBGBs it's a club in New York, correct?

And yes often credited as the birthplace of punk if you will

New Wave and she talks about that a lot.

It's especially interesting to me and and you Russ because

you sat in my living room with me when we listened to

television's Marky Moon with Richard Lloyd.

They were right Rhino re-released it and so you and I

had that unbelievable pleasure.

Oh, it was so cool.

I'm so glad we got to do that.

Yeah, I know Brian.

Yeah, you were had to work but the fact that we got to sit

in my house with Richard Lloyd listening to Marky Moon still

gives me the tingles.

So in some way that is my own weak attempt at trying to

reclaim some street creds trying to cleanse your soul a little bit.

Shameless.

I highly recommend you anybody listening to this watch

especially this history of CBGBs with Roberta.

She was there.

She was she worked the door at CBGBs.

She would take $2 and she said there's like 20 people would

come 40 people early on.

It was televisions basically studio and she's like nobody

thought they were going to be famous.

They all wanted to be, you know, I mean that's you know,

they're or most of them wanted to be the next Beatles but

nobody she was like you couldn't look at that band and say

they're going to be it.

She was not a big fan of Patti Smith who was one of those.

Blondie took forever and you know, she points out Blondie

became basically famous because Debbie Harry was good-looking

which obviously she is but they also wrote great songs

but that came later.

So it's just really interesting to do your point how many

to the other side of it and I don't know if you ever were

guilty of this Brian.

I tried not to be as a journalist asked the did you

know you were being you were changing the world?

Did you know those kind of questions but it's an interesting

question because it's just one of those things.

You know, did you know you were in the middle of an event

changing moment time type of thing who knows that but I have

asked Richard Lloyd that the guitar player for television

because he lives here in Chattanooga and he and I become

friends.

In fact, I'm texting his wife right now as we speak again

name-dropping trying to trying to get some of that cred back

get some cred back.

You've got plenty of credibility of my mind Barry.

But she because I had sent them I sent Sheila and Richard that

same video this morning and she was talking about Roberto

she remembers but I did ask Richard did you know and Richard

is one of the few people who said yes, I knew we were making

a great record with Marky Moon.

I think I think we asked him that Russ in my living room.

Did we not we did?

Yes.

He knew he knew that was going to be a great record.

So that's there you go.

All right.

Well, we got some Bonnarooo stuff to get to slight a little

bit here.

We want to do that before we take a break.

Yeah, let's do that now that I humbled myself.

So we get that we record last late last week still the same

day as we always do but late in the day which you would hope

would mean any information we needed for that week would

have come in before the you know, dinner time on a Sunday

and no minutes five four seven minutes when we get done

on a long day.

We won't go into why it was just you know, it's boring

story actual Bonnarooo news with the late nights getting

kind of rounded out and the sunset or the Sunrise sets

and the additions that was annoying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, not that we could add any real good analysis is what

this exactly is but people seem to be really excited on Reddit

for the first time we talked about this last week a little

bit of I'm not trying to be negative guy, but all I see

is negativity.

So that's all that sometimes there is to talk about quickly

that negativity died off on social channels and Enzo Gorgon

City with the Sunrise sets and then sorry help me out

taco.

What was the other edition ganja white night ganja white

night?

Yeah, which we kind of had kind of knew that was coming

because of the the clue that the festival put out, you know

the week before him.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

And festival gets less and less cryptic as time goes on.

He's easier to guess at times.

But yeah, people were genuinely I thought generally and

genuinely excited about this.

Is it is this enough to make people say, you know what?

Maybe maybe I will buy also something since last week take

a little credit here.

We can all divide it three ways the price increase that

is coming around the bend a couple of times between now

and June that I've been and I've said it online a couple

times to I kind of wish they would just kind of pull the

emergency lever on this one and stop having the price

increases.

Well, they're not going to do that necessarily but you got

what two three more weeks into March before the prices

will increase again.

Yep.

And I wonder as I mentioned at least sometime recently

somewhere that this lineup has been kind of what it is

since the moment it was released.

And oftentimes over the years something will start to make

a little noise as we get closer to the spring and then on

our way into June and then all of a sudden there's like,

oh my God, I mean, Chapel Rome being the perfect example,

but that's the outlier.

There's so many others that are on a lesser scale.

Is this that this year is is this the thing within it,

you know, with the pushback of the price increase?

Will this spark some some ticket movement?

I hope so.

What do you think it might?

Yeah, I think you can definitely take full credit for

this Brian because you were the one that brought it up.

So I can't even remember what it was to formulate my

thought.

But yeah, I hope so.

And I and I want to give you a credit again or some more

credit.

I thought you made such a great point last week and we

talked about it.

But the idea that it needs to sell a lot of tickets this

side.

I had mentioned something like, you know, if it's fewer

people, great.

Good for us.

It's fewer people.

It's easy to say that right because it will be it.

What I think you were a hundred percent.

No, we need this because we want this festival to be

successful.

So yeah, we need to sell tickets.

Yeah, and maybe this is enough.

I you know, when with the other year when Pretty

Lights did that sunrise set that was felt like such a

special kind of thing because he's such a name that I

even wanted to I wanted to see some of it.

And I and I did get to a certain degree.

But are these acts moving the needle like that?

I don't know.

I hope so.

But and also how many of y'all staying up till sunrise

two nights in a row?

Do you not do anything during the day?

There will be people that will do both sunrise sets.

I promise.

I know but how do you sleep?

Where do you sleep?

Well, I think but does that the does the?

Thursday night.

I mean, I think I'm getting more and more excited about

the Thursday night thing, even though we haven't really

talked about it very much or they haven't we don't know.

It hadn't been a lot of chatter for a fact, but I think

it's going to be pretty epic.

It's going to be different.

It's going to be unlike anything we've done.

We've Brian you and I loved Thursday in the past because

it was discovery.

It was you know, there was usually the the you know, the

the acts that we've never heard of and it was casual and

you very find somebody that you you know, and then you

oh my God, that's my new favorite act Alabama shakes

back in the day Courtney Barnett Courtney Barnett or that

I mean, I mean lifelong fan was created that night on

a Thursday in 2015 hundred percent.

But now we've got this different sort of don't know

what to expect which I'm kind of excited about my guess

is it'll be a high production loud good very very well

put together a choreographed party on the what stage

yeah, and you really can't go wrong on that stage is

certainly for my opinion.

So yeah, I'm excited about that.

I just hate losing that day.

I mean for everything we just said, but hey, I mean I'm

over it now move along.

It'll be a welcome back to the farm type of thing.

It'll be different for Ross because Ross will have been

there God knows since when Brian you and I typically get

there since usually since Tuesday, but now it'll be

since Wednesday.

Yeah, yeah already have a full day in but yeah, and it's

going to be interesting too because I think what Corey

told us was that you know, they basically turning the

keys over to Skrillex like he's basically as far as

programming he's you know, whatever he says is what

they're going to do.

So I think that's I think that's a safe just like safe

decision.

I think Skrillex will do it right.

And that's what I mean.

That's that's kind of exciting.

I'm kind of you know curious to see what happens.

Like I said, I anticipate oh my God, this is not anything

we've ever seen before type of thing and that's that's

pretty cool.

So I'm excited about that.

Does that go on into sunrise?

You know probably and then you got Friday and then

Saturday.

So I mean it feels like packing a lot more into a

shorter amount of time versus spreading it out like

we've been doing for the last five years or so eight

years.

Yeah, give or take covid maybe this was the goal from

from the beginning to do it that way.

But with a lot of the complaints being you're

shrinking, you know what what we call shrink flation

in economics right inflation when prices go up and

quantity of purchase power goes down not just price

went up.

You also lot, you know your cereal went from that much

to that much right.

It's kind of a festival shrink flation and maybe this

is part of trying to add value back maybe and probably

more likely they've had this idea from the jump and

they knew it.

Yeah, they were going to they were going to work their

way through it into the season and I think there is

a little bit this bouncing the ticket price increase

by a couple of weeks.

I don't think that was on like two months ago.

They said, oh, we'll put it out there and then we'll

change it.

Now.

I think that was an on-the-fly thing like let's try

to take advantage of this situation some positivity

out there some people excited about something and

they like we won't do this.

I first of all, Bonnaroo once again, you shouldn't do

it at all.

Just keep pushing the tickets and say, you know what

guys we hear you inflation is killing everybody

right now.

We just want everybody out the farm.

We want big time.

We're not even increase these anymore.

Let's go.

That's what I think you should do, but nobody asked

me but this is a nice secondary.

Well, but you know, they listen to Bryan Stone on

the What Podcast.

So I should have an influencer freaking good.

All right.

Let's take a break.

We'll be right back.

All right, and we're back and as we mentioned right

as we ended our show last week, we got some news

about the Bonnaroo lineup, but also a couple other

festivals drop their lineups almost.

I really do wish they would check with us.

Yeah, they really do.

Yeah, they really need to.

So close.

It's so close.

It would be helpful.

Taco you had this one.

Of course, we had a little inside Intel but shaky

anyway, right?

Shaky Knees in Atlanta, which is going to be

September 18th through the 20th at Piedmont Park,

which is where it was last year.

They dropped the lineup and you know, you've got

the strokes, turnstile, geese, 21 pilots, pierced

avail, the prodigy, pavement, gorillas, LCD sound

system and Wu-Tang Clan.

That's some of your headliners.

You know, the first time I looked at this when it

came out, I thought well, it looks like it, you

know, half of this is Bonnarooo.

But really the more I dove into it.

No, this is this is a lot more a lot more different

than Bonnarooo.

You know, there is some crossover for sure, but

there's some stuff on there that, you know, I

would love to have had at Bonnarooo and I would say

they did it again.

You know, I said last year, I don't know if I'm

going to go back just because it's such a slog

of a weekend.

I mean, it's a lot of walking and it's tough.

It's tough down in downtown Atlanta.

Especially, you know, when you have to when you

can't just go back and pass out, you know, you

have to leave the venue and either go back to your

hotel or, you know, go somewhere else.

But this lineup, I think it's pulling me back in.

I mean, Gorillaz, come on.

Well, this is this is where the when people talk

pricing, it doesn't it doesn't stack up fairly

with Bonnarooo because oh, it's cheaper to go to

Shakey Knees.

No, I promise you it's not.

I promise you it's not.

Not if we're just talking dollars and cents, but

so that was going to be my question, Taco.

It it speaks to you then because this is kind of

your account.

You've been a Shakey Knees diehard for several

years.

I was about seven eight years ago.

I love this festival.

I still do.

I just haven't gone as much, you know, as it's a

rock and roll centric festival.

But yeah, what about anything on the on the

undercard?

Is it that that that might well, that's the one

thing is that the undercard didn't do as much for

me as I thought the same thing.

I thought the same.

The headliners are great, but it kind of falls

apart, you know, right.

Absolutely agree with that.

100%.

I wondered if you would.

I wondered if it was just my ignorance or my low

tolerance for stuff.

I don't, you know, know that well or or might have

a preconceived note like taking back Sunday,

right?

Like I just I just think I don't like them.

I don't know that I that I don't but at first

glance, I thought this thing was awful.

And then I don't know why.

I guess I just saw strokes 21 pilots are fine.

Gorilla is fine.

But and then I was just like, okay, well everything's

down a little bit maybe and then I started looking

more.

It's pretty good.

I get it.

It's just because I don't like it necessarily

doesn't mean it's not a really good.

I mean, LSD sound system LCD sounds.

Some people have there's a lot in here to like.

I like them a lot.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

So I'm going to give the opposite.

I'm going to surprise you.

I but it's for different.

It's for selfish reasons.

I had a buddy who lives about four blocks who let

me crash at his place and drove me literally to

the gate.

I loved shaky knees last year.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, you had it made.

I loved everything about it.

I love that part.

It's fun.

Yeah, I did too.

Yeah.

Yeah, I love the dual stages.

But I mean, you know my I got to look at the

schedule and my buddy said, hey, when do you want

to go and you know, I'm like, you know, my band

starts here in about 10 minutes.

He said, I mean, so he drove me to the gate.

I got, you know, you and I hung out.

I went to we got to see Bill Murray, you know, we

got the interview.

Bill Murray.

Yeah.

Bill not well, Bill Murray, the band, the band,

Johnny Frank from the band, Bill Murray, not Bill

Murray himself.

I love shaky knees.

So as far as a city festival, I like that park.

I like the way it was laid out, but I get your

point and that that's what I've always said.

If you have to deal with hotel and if you got to

get it, yeah, you got to get three nights a hotel

in Midtown Atlanta.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What 300 back and forth?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's not cheap.

Yeah.

I mean, you got a camping festival for sure.

Yeah.

I mean, for those that don't agree with you there

taco that that want a place to stay in a shower.

Well, then yes, you're going to have a more

refreshing and a better time potentially at a

city festival like this, but you're going to spend

yeah, you're going to pay for it.

You're going to pay for it.

Let's just put that's good way to play.

I don't know if you'll spend more or less exactly

exactly exactly, but you are going to pay for it

unless and I've got a lot of these hookups in

Atlanta too.

That's when I used to spend a lot of time in Atlanta.

I used to know five six seven people there and

crowd couches to crash on and everything else.

Those days have dried up a little bit.

Yeah, so we'll see.

We'll see how it goes.

I mean my expense was beer at the festival and

dinner and breakfast for my buddy, you know, sounds

like a hell of a time.

I had a blast.

You got the best deal.

Yeah, I love it and got to see, you know, Devo and

a bunch of other great bands.

So I loved it and I love that park.

I love the layout of it.

All of that.

So I look at this.

I look at this and I see this being a possibly

a Sunday day trip for me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And primarily because of Jet, the Australian 90s

band or really too early 2000s band that I saw at

the Corona Capital Festival as just one of those.

I think I remember this band a little bit.

Yeah.

And then I was like, you hung out with the singer,

right?

Yeah.

Well, no, that was the other UK band.

That was, oh, that was the Struts.

Sorry Struts.

Yes, the Struts.

Same deal with them.

Same same kind of discussion.

But I was like, oh yeah, that's right.

I listened to Jet for like five years of our life.

I just forgot or two or three years anyway.

So that could bring me back even though they don't

make new music.

They're just a tribute act to their selves.

Sure.

Right.

They just they just play everything that everybody

wants to hear.

So I see Sunday day trip for me written and I mean

like legitimately on that one.

Well, maybe you and I need to go down there and I

can get my buddy.

He can take us to the front gate.

We can get in there and get in and out.

Well, now I'm totally in.

Yeah.

Totally.

You speak in Brian's language now.

Yeah, free.

Hold on.

What are we talking about?

Yes.

Yes, please.

Or limited funds needed.

The other a couple a couple festival not, you know,

things that are hitting the festival top of the

headline news circuit.

But when we were young out in Las Vegas, a smashing

success of a festival for a couple of years anyway,

they're taking this they're taking this year off

with an already scheduled.

Well, maybe it's not there.

But their wording makes it sound like they're

already scheduled to be back in 2027.

Is this more of a trend for festivals going forward?

Maybe.

I don't know.

Maybe I mean, that's what Glastonbury takes every

fifth year off.

They kind of started that kind of scheduling of

whatever they call that.

I can't even remember what they call it for not

furlough year, but no, but you're close.

Yeah, it's not furlough.

Fowlough.

Fowlough.

Fowlough year.

Fowlough year.

Yeah.

Yep.

And a lot of time for Glastonbury specifically,

that's to let the land.

Right.

Recover.

Right.

This when we were young thing doesn't have a

damn thing to do about the land out in the desert

and concrete in Las Vegas.

What my first thought on this was it's the same

thing every year.

You know, it's an emo festival.

You're trying to get you can't book.

I almost said three doors down.

What's the what's the band that's all over the

place right now that I'm sorry.

What is that stupid band called that that was

that South Star and everything else that

everybody loves from the early 2000s.

Any who it'll come back to me in a minute.

There's only so many times you can book these

emo bands and fill up festivals.

So maybe yeah, that was my thought was maybe they

had just run out of bands to book.

I mean, I think I've run through the catalog and

then there's not new ones, you know, like 182.

Like 182.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Sorry.

Sorry.

Like 182.

But yeah, so they're taking they're taking it

off and it's just surprising because they sold

so many tickets and it was huge.

It seems like they were every time you turn

around they were announcing another one.

It is an interesting idea to take a take time

off.

Well, sometimes it's insane to think that people

organizations corporate Monster or not so much

do these huge festivals every year.

If you really think about it because I mean you

can start working on this a month when you're

done with the last one and it's just a never

anything you got we've been we've talked to people

to do it.

It's an it's insane that we go every year when

you think about it.

But would we go every other would it what would

it how would it change our lives if

you probably move on you know what I mean?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

It's an interesting idea that a lot of people

meaning the the take time off and come back model.

It's an interesting idea that most people it

works scoff at because of continuity right because

of of of keeping things on a schedule and staying

you know to the values of what you say this thing

is and it might be it make people think or promoters

feel like it's a disc you're discrediting it you

know like that it's it's undermining the importance

of what it is if you don't want to do it whenever

we want well, then it's not that is it that big of

a deal maybe I don't know I can see it in the sense

that we that you know again half 50% of the people

who go to Bonnarooo are new every year.

They don't know you know what I mean?

They don't they didn't go last year.

So yeah, they're just learning.

They don't write in that sense.

I can get it.

But does it get the you and me, you know, okay,

I'll take a year off type of thing.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I mean, you know, I don't want to go too far down

this road, but it would not shock me in the slightest

if Bonnarooo did something like this.

Well, I could get used to it.

I mean we were forced to take a couple years off,

you know 2020 and 2021 and we survived and we came

back and I think there's plenty of other stuff to

do throughout the year.

We've got the Caverns right close by.

I think that would could fulfill if Bonnarooo took

a year off.

I would just party at the Caverns.

Yeah, I mean, I'm telling you I would not it would

be the least surprising thing I've ever heard recently

a recent history of festival news.

If Bonnarooo said they're going to take a year off

whether it be 2027 or down the road or whatever.

I don't know and I don't want to turn into a big,

you know, dumb reddit comment section on this one.

So I don't have anything to tell you why I'm not

believing that.

Yeah, I got other than a little here and there but

overall and I don't know how bad of an idea would

be because it seems to be working for some organizations

and maybe they would consider it too.

But as of now, they're absolutely nothing is imminent

or any discussion.

Bonnarooo don't listen to us.

Don't take our ideas.

We're not suggesting that you take a year off.

Be angry with me for even suggesting it.

Yes.

Bryan Stone at the whatpodcast.com

Block that man.

Also just as funny to hear Russ say that he would

be fine says the guy who's sitting at the lake who

manages to always have somewhere to go.

Yeah, I don't know man.

You're the least worrisome.

You'll find something.

Where would I go?

What would I do?

I have no idea.

I guess I would be stuck at home.

Nothing to do.

There's two things here.

Yeah, of course.

He would be fine because he would figure out something

with that bus and some cliff to hang off of right.

But I don't believe you for a damn second the guy

who's knocking on the door and cutting the grass on

the way on out the door and then trying to get in

when the gates still locked.

Yeah, I don't believe to enter last to leave.

Yeah, I don't believe for a second that that'll be

okay by you.

Yeah, no, I definitely want to Bonder every year.

There you go.

Yeah, there it is.

Make no mistake.

A couple other things on festival stuff this Oceaga

that I'd never even heard of until last year.

It's in Montreal late July early August the last

weekend of July and I read about it last year when

I hadn't heard of it and regularly got the Lollapalooza

of Canada as it's as it's calm.

Okay.

And they release their lineup and it's it's pretty

solid not as good as it was last year, but a lot

of crossover 21 pilots geese.

I mean geese this push just doesn't end pieces on

every lineup forever geese.

Oh my God.

Yeah, there's a that might be you get to a point

where like enough geese already.

Sorry, I might be there.

Might be there already the XX geez.

I didn't even think they were a band anymore.

Wetleg doing the same thing all over the the

festival map landscape this year turnstile is there

as well Mountain Joy Lord boy.

I think Bonnarooo would be a big-time upgrade just

if Lord was on on their list.

I think that would have made a big difference.

I'd love to see her.

She's making that kind of comeback of sorts new

music all that so you find yourself in Montreal the

end of July.

They've they've got a pretty nice little setup there

and yeah, I'm looking at that's nice.

Wetleg I'm still I'm glad you keep mentioning that

I'm really looking forward to seeing them there.

They're good.

I would they're they're a little sleepy actually.

I thought they'd be a more rock but but it's good.

It's it's right up my alley.

I'm looking forward to that a lot and one other

festival man.

That's another one on there.

I wonder what that show looks like.

But anyway, another band that I wasn't certain still

was yeah Monsters of Men.

I didn't Davey.

I wouldn't have guessed they quit forever, but I

haven't heard of new music from them in a while.

But then a bunch of other bands on here that I

hadn't heard of I'm guessing a lot of those are

Canadian bands, but I don't know that I do not know

that yeah and then over where Bourbon and Beyond

takes place, you know after I get done trash in

their their festival site last week, which I'm

sorry.

I've never been there, but I've just heard from

enough people that it's just not the most aesthetically

pleasing place.

They have louder than life coming to that same spot.

They can get the Kentucky.

What is it the Expo Center Kentucky Expo Center and

this thing is stacked if you're in the middle.

We got a lot of a lot of comments about that.

Russ correct me.

I mean you often see more than I do but kind of

both ways right a lot of people said it's great.

They fixed it.

They have no problem with the site and then a few

people said no you got to get VIP and then it's

great.

So yeah, I was a little mixed.

We did get some people push back and say no, you

know a lot of that's out of date.

They've improved a lot of stuff and I hope that

they have.

Yeah, and very interesting.

It's a great lineup.

I know that much.

I still think we need to just make the trip when

you go and just and go see for ourselves.

Well, Patrick Whelan from sober who will be on

with us at the end of March.

He lives in Louisville.

So we're all coming over buddy.

Yeah, we're all coming over.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, but then quickly louder than life.

I mean, I'm not going to go through all these but

the prodigy people you mentioned that earlier on

shaky Ross.

People are crazy excited about the prodigy.

I mean, I don't know if this is a reunion or have

they been just kind of here and there for 35 years

or whatever it is for.

I don't know.

I haven't really heard much from him since high

school.

Yeah, I mean, I might not like that one song the

fire starter.

Remember that song?

Who is the fire starter?

That's all I know.

That's all I know.

But people are excited about the prodigy.

So Tool and Biscuit my chemical romance, which

jeez, it's crazy how their popularity has been

just dancing.

Continue.

Megadeth Alice Cooper Pantera Danzig Papa Roach

Hailstorm Rise Against Jimmy World as another one.

If this is your genre, it goes for days.

I think it's the same promoter to Danny

Wimmer, swimmer, Wimmer, Danny Wilmer.

I think it's the same.

Where's this guy get all this money?

How does he do this?

How do you afford all these bands?

Tom Morello is on there.

Yeah, Morello.

It just keeps going and going and going.

I think that would be I think I would get tired

of the Pete Iguara also.

I think I'd get tired of the people really quick,

but sorry to be that guy.

But you know, this is an obnoxious place to be.

Yeah, with all that kind of mastodon black

label society, right?

That's a Zach Wilds band, isn't it?

Isn't it taco?

I think I don't know.

Okay.

Anyway, doesn't matter.

Don't blink.

There.

Yeah.

Go see Alice Cooper.

If you don't see any other, that's a great show.

Great.

It's fun and he ain't gonna be with us forever.

And yeah, we we we saw him in vows a drunken fool

at what 2012?

Yeah, Alice Cooper Midnight Show.

I think on this or that that's probably when you

and I met really maybe spent more time together.

Yeah, absolutely.

It was awesome.

Let's take a break.

We'll come back and we're going to talk Rock and Roll Hall

of Fame and we get to bent.

We'll be right back.

All right, Brian.

I think you and I are in agreement.

We love nothing more than a list that we can hate

and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame provides that every year,

right?

Yeah, they do.

They do.

I am a sucker for a list.

I think it's the ultimate arguing platform or debate online

that I think is actually can be healthy and fun.

It's the original clickbait.

Yeah, it's a very first original clickbait and and it's

you know, it's the the whole philosophy is five best things

ever make sure one of them is the worst.

There you go.

Like make sure one of those five best or is the worst.

So everybody will will right.

Yeah, number three will shock you.

Number three.

Yeah.

Yeah, greatest music ever.

It's Devo right like greatest ever.

I'm talking about most overrated band ever The Beatles.

Yeah, wait, what?

Exactly.

Who the hell do you think you are?

But so just to name a few the first time nominees this year

and by the time they have the winners, you know,

that is not a whole lot to talk about.

It's it's the nominations that I think is the most fun first

time nominees Jeff Buckley, Phil Collins, Melissa Etheridge,

Lauren Hill in excess a lot of new ones this year new edition

pink Shakira Luther Vandross and Wu Tang Clan.

All right, which one where who's the who's the outlier?

Who's the what the which one?

I don't know.

I mean, these are actually a lot of and then the holdovers

there's there's Billy Idol.

There's Oasis.

There's the Black Crows and a kind of handful of others Iron

Maiden.

I don't think there is anything that said that's a what here.

No, it's all pretty solid deserving for discussion.

Well, then we could we could do an hour podcast on it,

which we won't only do a few more minutes here, but you

know quickly, I just want to refresh my memory on some of

these things and that aren't that aren't in my in my

immediately top of mind Jeff Buckley.

He only had one album.

I forgot I knew he didn't have much died in 97 of drowning

accidental drowning after one album and right to have a new

deal Rock and Roll.

Saddest Rock and Roll stories is you're going to make a list

of those.

So one album does that get you in the Rock Hall?

I mean immediately I say no.

I'm Lauren Hill same deal.

Want what she's alive.

Sorry, she's live.

One album a five Grammy Award-winning like well go ahead

if you're going to have one album.

That's a hell of an album.

The Miseducation of Lauren Hill.

Well, then Buckley gets she did a lot with the Fuji's because

of Hallelujah, right because of the movie.

Yeah, but it's not his song.

But that's not I agree.

That's yeah, that's but that's all anybody knows right?

It's not even his song and I'm not even sure.

That's a Leonard Cohen song.

Yeah, and I prefer Katie Lang's version personally.

I think I think they're all great version.

I know I've never heard a bad version of that song.

That's but you know, I would be like saying well, we should

put Jimi Hendrix in because he has a great song called all

along the watchtower.

It's really good.

Okay.

Well, you didn't write the song.

So whatever so yeah, I have a hard time saying Jeff Buckley

but then I don't know.

I think Taco Lauren Hill that that's a hell of an album.

I mean that was a seminal that was yeah, a huge album

when it came out and then the Fuji's connection.

Certainly.

Yeah, certainly things like though for me here like Black

Crows.

I mean, I just hate Chris Robinson so much.

I can't stand that guy and I would probably be my the one

I would argue.

I love their music.

I do do I really really do but I don't know.

I put that on so many in there that I put that on and listen

to Smooth Operator this morning and I was like, I love this

song and I don't know another one for the rest of this

woman's career.

So I don't know.

What about tell me about Luther Vandross that's an easy

lose.

God Luther.

I mean, I know who I'm familiar with him.

But but give me a case.

Give me the give me the case that he's a rock and roll

Hall of Famer.

He's just smooth influence.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, I mean if you're if you're on a date and you're

you know, they're nobody better than Luther.

Say well, it's like some Marvin Marvin Gaye kind of yeah,

he's like a modern-day Isaac Hayes Marvin Gaye type smoother.

I mean Marvin's Marvin to me would be more intellectual Marvin

is a put it on and listen to it Luther is put it on is your

backdrop.

You know light a candle and put some Luther on.

Yeah, and it's all good from there.

How about this one Phil Collins solo?

I can't stand Phil Collins.

Do you not see I really he's a great drummer.

He was a great drummer with Genesis, but I can't stand his

solo stuff.

I my dad know Jack required.

Yeah, no Jack.

Everybody's dad loved that red cover.

I listen to so much Phil Collins as a kid on light mix 105

radio station here in China.

You need to know right there.

Yeah, I read earlier when I was making some notes and said

he'll hit the knock.

He'll get is his adult contemporary dwelling as a music

category from from that time frame.

I like I like Phil Collins.

I think he's worthy.

I think he's worried for sure.

I get it.

It's a probably a time period type of thing.

I think Oasis will get in because of the buzz from last

year.

I think I think they will ride that wave just to have a better

television show.

To me, I'm a huge fan.

So of course I want to man.

Yeah to me Oasis is an easy no-brainer.

No, I think they should be too.

I just didn't want to sound super biased as a super fan.

But I think they'll get in this year.

They're not first-time nominee.

I think they'll get in this year because of the explosion

of 2025 comeback popularity.

Pink seems like a shoe in I don't know maybe I mean, such

Madonna esque pink and Billy Idol.

I put together, you know, I could go either way to me.

It's a game going back to the whole list thing there.

There are some bands that are in that I don't understand why

they're in, you know, that that's what argument tribe

called quest could that be one of them?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's one of my contemporaries.

I don't know.

Wu Tang, you know, I that's what I wrote right next to Wu Tang.

If tribe called quest is in yeah, then maybe Wu Tang clan is

Wu Tang in yeah.

Yeah.

And quickly just the qualifications just in case anybody doesn't know.

There's not many it's 25 years since your first commercial release.

So release that EP release that LP whatever it is that's

commercially released and 25 years after that and then other

than that it's a whole bunch of subjective stuff like demonstrate

significant musical impact influence and excellent like it goes.

It's like, okay.

Well that could be anybody.

I mean, yeah.

That's like looking at this list joy division new order.

I love them.

But you know, they don't they don't jump off the pages Hall of

Famers to me, but I that new additions on there for the first

time I thought joy division new order and new edition.

We're all the same band.

No, I thought that was like, not at all.

One of the new clothes.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know where I got in the new order.

Yes.

New edition.

No, it will.

That's that's where I was kind of playing off.

Yeah, more like the Smiths and that tour.

Yeah.

Oh, and my last one here.

I'll throw out to you guys.

We know we got to run guys.

Mariah Carey, 19 number one hits second only to the Beatles.

I mean you get into that.

Is it rock and roll?

But that that conversation seems to be long over with.

Yeah, it's got to be in right with that many number ones.

And well then you get into the is it album sales and hits versus quality.

So I mean, yeah, I get it.

I get it.

I mean, I am right.

I think a bunch number ones only second to the Beatles.

Hard to argue.

It's hard to say shouldn't shouldn't let her in.

But other than the old tired boring long gone argument of well, it's

not rock and roll.

Well, it's not half this isn't rock and roll.

So anyway, we'll see how it goes.

They're the fan vote, which roll my eyes at a fan vote.

But the fan vote is now and then this will probably be announced.

What do you think like midsummer or something like that?

Probably.

So we'll check back in later down the road.

All right, Russ, what you got for the rest of the day, dude?

Real quick.

I got a homework assignment for you just to throw it out here.

And I know you guys both have vinyl collections and this is something I did.

I went through my vinyl and you go on discogs and look up the median price,

not the, you know, high end, not the low end, but the median selling price and

find out what your most valuable vinyl records that you own is because I found

mine and I was kind of surprised.

I didn't think some of these I had were worth as much as I had.

So that's an interesting homework assignment.

I like that'll be interesting to go through and compare.

My it's not my number one most expensive, but I have the Ween album,

chocolate and cheese and $200.

Really?

And that's not even 1991.

1994.

And that's not even the most expensive album I own.

So like I said, it was I was shocked.

It's some of the stuff I had.

I'm not going to say which one I think mine is, but I think I know and I like

this homework assignment.

Yeah.

Now, where did you go to find to get price?

Discogs.

Okay.

All right.

It's actually what all the record stores is like industry standard for it's

like Beckett back in the 90s to baseball cards.

The yeah, and I use it.

I catalog everything that I own because I'll go to a record store

and see a record that I want.

Oh yeah, I'll buy it, bring it home, put it on the shelf and then

realize I already have this copy.

So I have, you know, I need a, I need a list so I can keep up with

so I don't buy the same thing over.

How many vinyl records do you have?

Uh, 300 and something.

Yeah.

How about you, Brian?

If we count my dad's collection that I, that I have of his, there's

probably a hundred there, but of my own collection, 40, 50.

I think I'm four or 500.

So it's going to be a minute.

Okay.

Interesting homework.

Interesting.

So I think about, or at least we'll pick it.

We'll pick out some notables and go from there.

So yeah, yeah.

Love that.

Yeah.

But yeah, leading up to record store day, I just, I've been getting

into like going through my collection and you know, dusting some stuff off

and playing it and you know, having a good time with it.

I'm going to have to, does that include my Victrola?

My old 70.

Interesting.

All right.

I like it.

Good.

Okay.

Good idea.

All right.

See you guys.

All right.

Later.

See you next time.

See ya.

Yeah.